Market Conditions

edited June 2007 in Seattle Real Estate
Market Conditions

Seattle, Washington, is a diverse city with a healthy -- maybe even booming -- 2007 real estate market.

Local experts are reporting, "The urban condo market is hot," with condo prices rising faster than single family homes -- a first. "Inventory can not keep up with demand."

The median sales price for King County is $429,000, with the number of pending sales up a whopping 31 percent in February of this year. Median prices are up 9 percent from a year ago.

Will demand continue? Studies indicate that the Seattle area should expect a surge in population of 1.2 million residents in the next 10 to 20 years!

Comments

  • Shug, is that projected population surge really such good news? Come down to LA for a visit and check out the traffic, which has become increasinly unbearable. It took me 2 hours to get from the Palisades to Beverly Hills last week, not during rush hour. When I was a kid, this trip would've taken 15-20 minutes.
  • Industry website "reports" that unnamed local experts say urban condo demand > inventory, plus unspecified studies show big pop. growth. Both facts unsupported by website, and contradict hard data. Another helpful post.
  • meshugy wrote:
    "The urban condo market is hot," with condo prices rising faster than single family homes -- a first. "Inventory can not keep up with demand."

    Yet more evidence that the Puget Sound market is heading for the toilet. There is a LONG history of condos heating up right at the end of the real-estate cycle. They also tend to fall the hardest when cycles turn.

    Whenever condos start selling like mad, look out below...
  • Inventory can not keep up with demand.
    Shug, you musta had a good laugh when you posted that one! Thanks for bolding the important parts, so we could educate ourselves on the market.

    "Gosh. I'd like to buy a condo, but I just can't find one."

    Condo inventory growth

    City of Seattle
    Apr 06 - 395
    Apr 07 - 616
    Growth: - 101%

    King County
    Apr 06 - 1,082
    Apr 07 - 1,464
    Growth: - 74%

    Honestly, how DO you dig up this sh!t?
  • Hi DJ,

    April #s show that pending condo sales for Seattle are up YOY 17%! And prices are up YOY 6% for Seattle and a whopping 19% for the whole county. Condos are most defintly Hot, Hot, Hot :!:
  • Great. Do you want directions to the SLU sales center for Vulcan? Maybe you can put deposits down on a couple and make a quick buck!

    I mean, if there are only twice as many available this year as last - there has to be something going on, right?

    You're missing opportunity. Maybe in a year, you can fleece me on one of your holdings. I mean, look how great this has turned out everywhere else!

    Let me know, I can send you a google map!
  • A buddy of mine has done very well for himself ivesting in real estate in the Seattle area for the last 15 years. He thinks condos are going to tank.
  • Uh oh, Seattle's not the only place where people are moving:

    "Velto says the county could be the most recession-proof market in the Southland. 'There are 3.5 million people supposed to be moving into Southern California the next 10 years,' he said. 'At this point, at least, San Bernardino County housing is recession-proof.'"
  • There are 3.5 million people supposed to be moving into Southern California the next 10 years

    Yes, those people are all moving IN to California. But there are another 3.5 million who are moving OUT and to Seattle. and what he doesn't know is that we are double-dog recession-proof here.
  • Oh, but this can't be good:

    Some of the markets ZipRealty covers suffered far bigger inventory expansions than the total jump. Los Angeles reported a 39.7 percent leap since April of 2006, Miami climbed 53.9 percent and Seattle soared 63.2 percent.

    Soared? How'd that happen? I thought this market was bulletproof.
  • I work in financial services. My firm has enjoyed a booming business in 1031 exchanges which have ridden the coattails of the exploding housing market. These securitized transactions depend on an investment home owner successfully selling their house and leveraging themselves into a like-kind property elsewhere in the country. Thank god the health of my company (and my job security) is not dependent on these transactions, as we've seen a major shift among our clients from RE investments to alternative investments. We are starting to do a healthy, booming business in these alternative investments and phasing out the RE.

    Bottom line: My inside observations are that the Puget Sound is starting to show weakness. We have more and more "listed clients" trying to leverage themselves out of the PNW markets, but fewer and fewer clients "in cash" as listings have sat on the MLS for months and many of our clients are unwilling to reduce their asking price. It's been a scramble. A lot of very rich, very smart folks who have made good money in RE want to stay in RE, but want to take their gains and get the hell out of the PNW.
  • Bottom line: My inside observations are that the Puget Sound is starting to show weakness. We have more and more "listed clients" trying to leverage themselves out of the PNW markets, but fewer and fewer clients "in cash" as listings have sat on the MLS for months and many of our clients are unwilling to reduce their asking price. It's been a scramble. A lot of very rich, very smart folks who have made good money in RE want to stay in RE, but want to take their gains and get the hell out of the PNW.

    Interesting inside scoop Jill. Thanks for sharing. It is always helpful to see perspectives from different sides of the transaction.

    Are these mostly SFR's, apartments, or commercial that you are dealing with?
  • Just wondering if anyone has checked the buliding/construction permit issuance/applications lately. I was prompted partly by the recent PI article that mentioned the increased number of new apartment buildings coming online in the next 18 months. The other part was my building in Greenwood was just sold, and you guessed it, I will be a condo conversion casualty by September.

    My analysis of the DPD permit applications/approvals from 4/1/05 to the present don't bear out the optimism. I saw two applications for MR, or HR zoned permits on the North End (Queen Anne - Magnolia). In fact, at least 80 percent of the permits were L1 to L4 (townhouses). :x

    NO WAY I will pay (or can afford) what will likely be a asking price of 300K + for my 1 bedroom, 500 sf. I saw the writing on the wall when the less attractive building across the street got converted on the cheap a few months ago, but the prices were around that mark. I looked at the Fini Condos at their "VIP" pre-sale, and was shocked at the investor feeding frenzy, and the 100K price rise across the board in the month between the listing in Seattle Metropolitan, and their published. All the "prime" units were sold in the first hour! We are talking $375-425K folks, in Phinney Ridge!

    Needless to say, I am being gentrified-out, again. Last time was in 2000 in Loyal Hights.

    So were are all the supposed apartments being built? A few in West Seattle, and some on the South End. Even so, I don't see the numbers quoted in the PI being borne out by the permit data. Did I miss something?
  • Who is going to move to Phinney Ridge? Downtown only supports so many high 5-figure or higher jobs, and the commute across 520 from the Eastside is possible but pretty un-appetizing. Mass transit options to/from that neighborhood are fairly limited.
  • Actually... I quite like Phinney Ridge. I don't understand why this year... neighborhoods like Maple Leaf have been as expensive, or more expensive. Most of the east side of Phinney is only incrementally farther to I-5 then certain areas of Maple Leaf (and somebody is commuting from those neighborhoods too, assuming they don't all work at UW).. and the Phinney/Greenwood corridor is in my mind.. a lot cuter than some of the other commercial strips. I would say the only down point is that you need to cross Aurora to get to greenlake... but that's a toss up from crossing I-5 to get to Greenlake.

    Currently living in Wallingford, the Phinney Ridge commute to the Eastside is only perhaps 5 mins more, depending on the location. When you are already committed to a 20-30 minute commute from Seattle to Redmond (even if it was Capitol hill or Montlake), the extra 5 minutes doesn't seem killer.
  • After I graduated from college 3 years ago, I lived in Green Lake. Commuted to Redmond over 520 every day during "normal" work hours.

    In the evening, 520 sure takes longer than 20-30 minutes. 45 minutes was a "good" day from Redmond to Green Lake.

    I can understand these kinds of prices on the Eastside (close to major employers that pay pretty well with loads and loads of employees) but Phinney Ridge? It's pretty far away.

    Would be interesting to see where the buyers of the fancy new condos there on Phinney Ridge are employed...are they braving the 520 mess or working downtown? I suspect the former. Some people are just willing to put up with it.
  • Would be interesting to see where the buyers of the fancy new condos there on Phinney Ridge are employed...are they braving the 520 mess or working downtown? I suspect the former. Some people are just willing to put up with it.

    Perhaps they're all self employed? It's not like you need a job to buy a place anymore. I love the location of that building and it's going to have a great view. As far as I can tell it's the only new construction buildings on greenwood/phinney at that elevation.

    Does that mean that the people lining up to buy there are going to move in? Hard to say.

    I'd guess that the people putting down deposits are split between those that had to buy lesser condos a year or two ago and want to move up, people that are fed up with waiting for a condo in Ballard that's never going to be inhabitable, or they're investors that see this as a "sure fire" win since the number of directly comparable units are low.

    51 units? There are 500 units under construction just down the hill. If Fini can actually be ready by early 2008, they'll likely beat most of the ballard buildings and have a superior location.

    My only concern is that Ed's Korthaus is going to fall victim to the yuppification and get replaced by a wine bar. As it is, it's a nice little dive but it's right across the street.
  • mike2 wrote:
    Would be interesting to see where the buyers of the fancy new condos there on Phinney Ridge are employed...are they braving the 520 mess or working downtown? I suspect the former. Some people are just willing to put up with it.
    Perhaps they're all self employed? It's not like you need a job to buy a place anymore. I love the location of that building and it's going to have a great view. As far as I can tell it's the only new construction buildings on greenwood/phinney at that elevation.

    Maybe, but that's a hell of a lot of self employed people in 1 spot -- considering they historically make up 7 percent of the workforce (link for support of percentage)
  • The "fini" condos are a joke. They're tiny boxes. Yes they have a nice view on either side of the project....but they're tiny boxes being slapped up and I can't even begin to imagine what the markup is for the *marketing firm* they've hired to sell the units. We visited their sales trailer the other day while out walking the neighborhood....the sales chick was the same woman who oozed the sugar-coated sales pitch last fall when we looked at another new condo building in north Seattle in our former neighborhood.
    We bought a single family house in the Phinney neighborhood a month ago for the same price as the average unit in fini.
  • After I graduated from college 3 years ago, I lived in Green Lake. Commuted to Redmond over 520 every day during "normal" work hours.

    In the evening, 520 sure takes longer than 20-30 minutes. 45 minutes was a "good" day from Redmond to Green Lake.

    By normal hours, do you mean 9-5? If 45 mins was a "good" day, what was an average day's commute?
  • WetCoaster wrote:
    After I graduated from college 3 years ago, I lived in Green Lake. Commuted to Redmond over 520 every day during "normal" work hours.

    In the evening, 520 sure takes longer than 20-30 minutes. 45 minutes was a "good" day from Redmond to Green Lake.
    By normal hours, do you mean 9-5? If 45 mins was a "good" day, what was an average day's commute?
    I do almost the same drive but from Ballard during "normal hours". It sucks. But living on the East Side sucks even more.

    I have had this drive take 2hrs on several occasions. Throw in a Mariners game and some rain, or even better yet some high winds or snow.

    I can't even begin to imagine what this commute will be like once construction on 520 has started. I will be virtually impossible to travel between the east and west sides of the lake.
  • I frankly can't imagine how anyone can put up with a commute to DT Seattle from any of the suburbs!! :roll:

    When I read comments about living in and around Seattle it is almost as if my community doesn't exist. I live on BI where the bus is close and timed to meet the ferry. At least on the ferry you can access wi-fi, check your voice mail, nap, read, or eat breakfast (or have a glass of wine on the return trip :D ). It is true that the ferry isn't cheap but I venture if you added the cost of fuel & wear on your car, and parking, it is no more expensive.

    Thank heavens the traffic mess when they work on 520 or the Alaskan Way won't impact me.

    The only minus is that getting to the airport isn't easy :( , and I can't just dash over to Nordies (some would call that an advantage :wink: ).
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