Interesting thing this weekend. Hung out with my brother who about 5-6 weeks ago was voting McCain and was pretty interested in Palin. He's always voted republican, but he's not a Christian.
Yesterday found out that he voted for Obama. The reason? Sarah Palin. He said after finding out more about her that she's one of the most terrifying candidates ever and that the prospect of her likely becoming president given McCain's age and cancer issues he could not vote for McCain. Even though he really doesn't like him.
Given the conservative pundits who are non-fundamentalist who have jumped ship recently I wonder if this is a pretty widespread sentiment with non-evangelical conservatives.
Yesterday found out that he voted for Obama. The reason? Sarah Palin. He said after finding out more about her that she's one of the most terrifying candidates ever and that the prospect of her likely becoming president given McCain's age and cancer issues he could not vote for McCain. Even though he really doesn't like him.
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I was only leaning slightly towards Obama in June, but the Palin selection sealed the deal for me.
What's fascinating to me is the visceral response people seem to have to her. For that 20% of the population who still likes her (and yes, it's about that few), they really love her. They ignore all the abuses of power and they really buy into the media actively working to pull her down. These people, literally, cannot believe that the media was prying because she was a story and they found because she had some skeletons in the closet.
You can usually find this 20% by looking for the one-issue = pro-life crowd. All other political sins are forgiven so long as you are violently pro-life (in regards to unborn babies only; the death penalty, war, and the death's of those in the third world too "lazy" to live in America don't count).
Since Biden probably couldn't lead a ticket, this poll is fitting
"Just after the GOP convention in early September, 53 percent said they would vote for Palin over Joe Biden if there were a separate vote for vice president. Now, Biden would beat Palin by 12 points if the running mates were chosen in a separate vote," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
If anyone still thinks she's going to come out in 2012 and lead the party to victory there's this as well.
"The more many Americans have found out about Palin, the less they like her."
Seems like that's the last "skill" you'd want in your party's ticket.
I early voted on Friday, since my election place and work are a long ways apart (and I didn't figure the GOP was going to find anything of substance to change the game). Lot of people waiting 80-90 minutes to vote, I heard Saturday the line was 3-4 times longer.
About the only thing amusing about it was a woman in line ahead of me with a "MIss Alaska" sash on. Wasn't sure if she was wearing her vote or making fun of Palin.
I watched TV most of the day, from about 8:30 am until after the Seachickens finished up their suckfest. So many political spots. I'm really looking forward to Wednesday. Especially the riots.
How Palin was handled in this election was an ENORMOUS mistake for the Republican party. Frankly, the GOP should've let McCain pick Lieberman like he wanted and just let him lose.
Then, they should've taken Palin and groomed her for 2012. If she'd actually been vetted and they really realized how completely out of her league the national race is, she could've made an amazing run in 2012.
Imagine if they'd spent 2-3 years teaching her foreign policy, making trips to russia, Europe, Mideast, etc. teaching her about things outside of Alaska basically. She's an incredibly intelligent woman, with an incredibly small worldview.
But now, her national political career is over.
Early voting has been amazing. They're expecting something like 85% turnout in Washington state. That's unheard of.
Even with all of the early voting the waits have been insane. Tuesday is going to be nutso.
Well, when your team wins the championship (MLB, NBA, NFL) the city as often as not riots. Of course, the difference here is that even in the most partisan locals over 30% of the population is devastated and the riots people are predicting are motivated by anger instead of revelry.
I was just thinking about the interplay between the presidential election and the state gubernatorial race. In the gubernatorial race, Gregoire is favored by maybe a point or two (well within the polls margin for error), but in the presidential race Obama is leading by double digits in most polls.
I thought this would be a hard year for Rossi due to Obama attracting so many line democratic voters, but the numbers aren't bearing this out. This suggests that Obama is not really drawing a larger number of truly democratic voters (at least in our state), which leaves me with three guesses.
1) Obama is drawing out a record number of independents, who will vote for him but not for democrats across the board.
2) He's taking a lot of republican votes (at least in WA) but not shifting people from their bases otherwise. Could these be the moderate republicans who don't care much either way about gay marriage or abortion and dislike the direction the party is heading?
3) It's the economy. McCain is admittedly ignore about financial matters, and Palin is assumed ignorant due to general myopia, so for the president people are voting Obama while Rossi has proven his business acumen due to being a self-made man.
This was the hardest choice on the ballot for me, and I'm not particularly keen with the choice I made. I would have preferred "throwing away" my vote on someone else (mostly so I could bitch about it no matter who wins ).
That's the thing. Last election, Democrats weren't really very happy with Gregoire as a candidate. After all, Washington was strong for Kerry and she barely won/didn't win depending on your view.
I mean, as universally loved as Gary Locke was, he was a pretty hard act for anyone to follow I think. She's a career politician, which I think many people have disdain for.
I don't think that she's done a terrible job, but she certainly doesn't inspire by any means.
I voted for her more as an anti-Rossi. Can't ever trust someone who works in real estate.
Personally, I think that in four years Palin will be a shoo in for re-election as president. Although McCain's mom is still alive, so he could pull off the first four years.
Personally, I think that in four years Palin will be a shoo in for re-election as president. Although McCain's mom is still alive, so he could pull off the first four years.
I think, Robroy, that if you could patent and then reproduce your personal "disagreeing news distortion field" you could make a mint off of it. Surely, many people would just like to be reassured as everything seemingly goes against them. If that didn't work, you could certainly find some faith organization or cult to purchase it.
Personally, I think that in four years Palin will be a shoo in for re-election as president. Although McCain's mom is still alive, so he could pull off the first four years.
Personally, I think that in four years Palin will be a shoo in for re-election as president. Although McCain's mom is still alive, so he could pull off the first four years.
Personally, I think that in four years Palin will be a shoo in for re-election as president. Although McCain's mom is still alive, so he could pull off the first four years.
I'm surprised I never noticed the resemblance before.
Meanwhile, anyone else hear that the final McCain stops were drawing pathetically small crowds? In places Bush won twice, he was drawing perhaps 15,000 people, Obama this year might draw 8,000 people, and McCain was drawing less than 2,000.
Could McCain turn out to be the republican Walter Mondale? Maybe 2012 could make Sarah Palin the republican Michael Dukakis...
Sure, those two towns are small and Obama only has a 16 vote lead. But that's a 2-1 margin in two towns that haven't voted for a Democrat since 1968...
I'm going on record now that McCain won't win 200 EC votes.
Sure, those two towns are small and Obama only has a 16 vote lead. But that's a 2-1 margin in two towns that haven't voted for a Democrat since 1968...
I'm going on record now that McCain won't win 200 EC votes.
Sure, those two towns are small and Obama only has a 16 vote lead. But that's a 2-1 margin in two towns that haven't voted for a Democrat since 1968...
I'm going on record now that McCain won't win 200 EC votes.
Guess other voter suppression against blacks, machines that are flipping votes from Obama to McCain ONLY and massive attempts at voter purges aren't as big of a deal apparently.
Guess other voter suppression against blacks, machines that are flipping votes from Obama to McCain ONLY and massive attempts at voter purges aren't as big of a deal apparently.
If this wasn't so serious it would be funny. Actually, it IS funny!
The flipping votes machines do it to both McCain AND 0bama, depending on the way the "fat fingered" person messes up. Regarding the voter purges, that is just laughable.
You need to take each one on a case by case basis. The one I linked to is a case, and needed to be dealt with. And it was.
If the others are verifyable, they need to be dealt with as well. e.g. the purging of military votes in Virginia.
Beyond the other articles, I liked this guys succinct perspective on this election:
This country is pretty evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. However, add to this (1) PUMAs shifting to McCain; (2) Obama's distasteful comments regarding "clingers"; (3) the deplorable manner in which Joe the Plumber was treated, including Obama's distasteful comments of "what plumber makes $250,000"; (4) Obama's spread the wealth comments and mentality; and the final nail in the cofffin, (5) Obama's vow to bankrupt the coal industry. And, yes, of course McCain will win ... by a landslide.
Sure, those two towns are small and Obama only has a 16 vote lead. But that's a 2-1 margin in two towns that haven't voted for a Democrat since 1968...
So, I pointed out the actual election results from a "district" that has been overwhelmingly republican for 40 years and your response is to post a link that denigrates polls followed by a poll that proves your candidate still has a slim chance?
Tonight you will be eating crow. Bon Appetite.
BTW, when I cast my vote for Obama/Biden today I was a little worried that it might not feel right. Perhaps I would have some latent racism or something like that. It was actually the most refreshing vote I've ever cast. Results aren't even in yet, but I already feel better about our country than I did a week ago.
Beyond the other articles, I liked this guys succinct perspective on this election:
This country is pretty evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. However, add to this (1) PUMAs shifting to McCain; (2) Obama's distasteful comments regarding "clingers"; (3) the deplorable manner in which Joe the Plumber was treated, including Obama's distasteful comments of "what plumber makes $250,000"; (4) Obama's spread the wealth comments and mentality; and the final nail in the cofffin, (5) Obama's vow to bankrupt the coal industry. And, yes, of course McCain will win ... by a landslide.
I saw those comments as well and my first thought was - I kid you not - wow, that guy sounds just as deluded as Robroy.
What's the deal with Palin 2009? Are the handful of people who are actually voting for McCain/Palin now anticipating an early demise for McCain so they can plunge our nation into the swamp?
What's the deal with Palin 2009? Are the handful of people who are actually voting for McCain/Palin now anticipating an early demise for McCain so they can plunge our nation into the swamp?
Regarding your "handfull", here is a report from a guy from PA:
You can choose to believe me or not...I can only pass on what I'm hearing
But I have a VERY close source working inside the PA Republican Party and just talked to this person a few minutes ago...McCain is winning BIG in Western and Central PA. It seems coal country is pissed at 0's comments over the weekend...No data on the East
Of course, it's only 1:30 and things can change...
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Yesterday found out that he voted for Obama. The reason? Sarah Palin. He said after finding out more about her that she's one of the most terrifying candidates ever and that the prospect of her likely becoming president given McCain's age and cancer issues he could not vote for McCain. Even though he really doesn't like him.
Given the conservative pundits who are non-fundamentalist who have jumped ship recently I wonder if this is a pretty widespread sentiment with non-evangelical conservatives.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,214 ... 20,00.html
Guess Maverick means taking taxpayer dollars for your own benefit, eh?
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I was only leaning slightly towards Obama in June, but the Palin selection sealed the deal for me.
What's fascinating to me is the visceral response people seem to have to her. For that 20% of the population who still likes her (and yes, it's about that few), they really love her. They ignore all the abuses of power and they really buy into the media actively working to pull her down. These people, literally, cannot believe that the media was prying because she was a story and they found because she had some skeletons in the closet.
You can usually find this 20% by looking for the one-issue = pro-life crowd. All other political sins are forgiven so long as you are violently pro-life (in regards to unborn babies only; the death penalty, war, and the death's of those in the third world too "lazy" to live in America don't count).
Since Biden probably couldn't lead a ticket, this poll is fitting
If anyone still thinks she's going to come out in 2012 and lead the party to victory there's this as well.
Seems like that's the last "skill" you'd want in your party's ticket.
About the only thing amusing about it was a woman in line ahead of me with a "MIss Alaska" sash on. Wasn't sure if she was wearing her vote or making fun of Palin.
I watched TV most of the day, from about 8:30 am until after the Seachickens finished up their suckfest. So many political spots. I'm really looking forward to Wednesday. Especially the riots.
Then, they should've taken Palin and groomed her for 2012. If she'd actually been vetted and they really realized how completely out of her league the national race is, she could've made an amazing run in 2012.
Imagine if they'd spent 2-3 years teaching her foreign policy, making trips to russia, Europe, Mideast, etc. teaching her about things outside of Alaska basically. She's an incredibly intelligent woman, with an incredibly small worldview.
But now, her national political career is over.
Early voting has been amazing. They're expecting something like 85% turnout in Washington state. That's unheard of.
Even with all of the early voting the waits have been insane. Tuesday is going to be nutso.
And yes, no matter who wins there will be riots.
Well, when your team wins the championship (MLB, NBA, NFL) the city as often as not riots. Of course, the difference here is that even in the most partisan locals over 30% of the population is devastated and the riots people are predicting are motivated by anger instead of revelry.
I thought this would be a hard year for Rossi due to Obama attracting so many line democratic voters, but the numbers aren't bearing this out. This suggests that Obama is not really drawing a larger number of truly democratic voters (at least in our state), which leaves me with three guesses.
1) Obama is drawing out a record number of independents, who will vote for him but not for democrats across the board.
2) He's taking a lot of republican votes (at least in WA) but not shifting people from their bases otherwise. Could these be the moderate republicans who don't care much either way about gay marriage or abortion and dislike the direction the party is heading?
3) It's the economy. McCain is admittedly ignore about financial matters, and Palin is assumed ignorant due to general myopia, so for the president people are voting Obama while Rossi has proven his business acumen due to being a self-made man.
4) Many Democrats have little faith in Gregoire.
This was the hardest choice on the ballot for me, and I'm not particularly keen with the choice I made. I would have preferred "throwing away" my vote on someone else (mostly so I could bitch about it no matter who wins
I mean, as universally loved as Gary Locke was, he was a pretty hard act for anyone to follow I think. She's a career politician, which I think many people have disdain for.
I don't think that she's done a terrible job, but she certainly doesn't inspire by any means.
I voted for her more as an anti-Rossi. Can't ever trust someone who works in real estate.
I think, Robroy, that if you could patent and then reproduce your personal "disagreeing news distortion field" you could make a mint off of it. Surely, many people would just like to be reassured as everything seemingly goes against them. If that didn't work, you could certainly find some faith organization or cult to purchase it.
Besides, didn't you hear that when she was interviewed on Canadian radio, she suggested she might run in 2016?
I'm surprised I never noticed the resemblance before.
Could McCain turn out to be the republican Walter Mondale? Maybe 2012 could make Sarah Palin the republican Michael Dukakis...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27528804
Sure, those two towns are small and Obama only has a 16 vote lead. But that's a 2-1 margin in two towns that haven't voted for a Democrat since 1968...
I'm going on record now that McCain won't win 200 EC votes.
http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/
Long but really thorough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg
I wonder if CNN is covering this?
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-com ... in-hq.html
Guess other voter suppression against blacks, machines that are flipping votes from Obama to McCain ONLY and massive attempts at voter purges aren't as big of a deal apparently.
The flipping votes machines do it to both McCain AND 0bama, depending on the way the "fat fingered" person messes up. Regarding the voter purges, that is just laughable.
You need to take each one on a case by case basis. The one I linked to is a case, and needed to be dealt with. And it was.
If the others are verifyable, they need to be dealt with as well. e.g. the purging of military votes in Virginia.
This country is pretty evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. However, add to this (1) PUMAs shifting to McCain; (2) Obama's distasteful comments regarding "clingers"; (3) the deplorable manner in which Joe the Plumber was treated, including Obama's distasteful comments of "what plumber makes $250,000"; (4) Obama's spread the wealth comments and mentality; and the final nail in the cofffin, (5) Obama's vow to bankrupt the coal industry. And, yes, of course McCain will win ... by a landslide.
I also liked this:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-com ... in-hq.html[/quote]
So, I pointed out the actual election results from a "district" that has been overwhelmingly republican for 40 years and your response is to post a link that denigrates polls followed by a poll that proves your candidate still has a slim chance?
Tonight you will be eating crow. Bon Appetite.
BTW, when I cast my vote for Obama/Biden today I was a little worried that it might not feel right. Perhaps I would have some latent racism or something like that. It was actually the most refreshing vote I've ever cast. Results aren't even in yet, but I already feel better about our country than I did a week ago.
I saw those comments as well and my first thought was - I kid you not - wow, that guy sounds just as deluded as Robroy.
What's the deal with Palin 2009? Are the handful of people who are actually voting for McCain/Palin now anticipating an early demise for McCain so they can plunge our nation into the swamp?
I joke around here, but if Obama had won this, there is no doubt in my mind that it would have been a rush to the end of the US as we know it.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/o ... 08.article