RCG vs. SB Stats

edited February 2009 in Seattle Real Estate
Whenever Dustin posts stats over at Rain City Guide, I can't help but compare them to the same stats for Seattle Bubble.

Here's his most recent offering:
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Adding up the totals for each category shows a total of 49,454 visitors for February. He also specifically points out the 2,826 people that visited RCG more than 200 times. Impressive, for sure.

Here's the same Google Analytics page for Seattle Bubble in February:
sb-loyalty-feb08.png
Our February total was 65,153 visitors. We had 11,555 people that visited over 200 times in February.

Wow, people.
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  • Congrats! Any RE site would be proud of those stats, and you didn't even have to resort to any Greatest Realtor in the World nonsense.
  • I smell something that smells like Lookout Landing.
  • Very cool.
    I promote your site in the classroom all the time!
  • jillayne wrote:
    I promote your site in the classroom all the time!

    Interesting... What kind of feedback do you hear from the students? Do they think we bubble-heads are off our rocker?
  • 7 times a day? How the heck is that determined?

    I have a tendency to load a page + comments and skim through it over the course of about an hour. Does the next page load represent visit 2?
  • Hi Sniglet,

    Very few Realtor and mortgage broker students of mine have ever heard of seattlebubble let alone raincityguide and even sites like calculatedrisk. I taught a class on foreclosures this morning, about 25 Realtor students, and only one of them had read these blogs. This is typical. I drew out the mortgage meltdown diagram on the board showing the systemic path from the consumer, the mtg broker, the wholesale lender, the investment banker, the monolines, ratings agencies, and so forth, and very few were aware of the extent of the crisis.

    Which never ceases to astonish me.
  • jillayne wrote:
    I taught a class on foreclosures this morning, about 25 Realtor students... I drew out the mortgage meltdown diagram on the board showing the systemic path from the consumer, the mtg broker, the wholesale lender, the investment banker, the monolines, ratings agencies, and so forth, and very few were aware of the extent of the crisis.

    Which never ceases to astonish me.

    I was talking with a people in my company a couple months ago who are specifically assigned to work with the structured credit industry, and was very surprised to find out how little they understood about how the various parties (e.g. monolines, ratings firms, etc) interacted to make these products possible. Even more astonishing, my colleagues were under the impression that there was just a minor hiccup happening since the hedge funds managers, and investment bankers they hang out with have been telling them the CDO market will be back in good health in a month or so (and this was back in early January).

    It almost seems as if the people who are most intimately involved with the financial industry are the least aware of the true scope of what is happening, and why.

    Maybe it's the old adage that a doctor or lawyer who serves herself has a fool for a patient/client.
  • jillayne wrote:
    I taught a class on foreclosures this morning, about 25 Realtor students, and only one of them had read these blogs. This is typical. I drew out the mortgage meltdown diagram on the board showing the systemic path from the consumer, the mtg broker, the wholesale lender, the investment banker, the monolines, ratings agencies, and so forth, and very few were aware of the extent of the crisis.

    Which never ceases to astonish me.


    Maybe that's because most of the ones that do read these blogs have already left the industry!
  • jillayne wrote:
    I drew out the mortgage meltdown diagram on the board showing the systemic path from the consumer, the mtg broker, the wholesale lender, the investment banker, the monolines, ratings agencies, and so forth, and very few were aware of the extent of the crisis.

    If you have this diagram in digital format, I think it would be appropriate to post it here. A lot of the people on this site have a good idea to just how contagious things are, but picto-graphs are beneficial too.
  • jillayne wrote:
    Which never ceases to astonish me.

    Why is that? Realtors are home salespeople not real estate experts.
  • January 2009 Update:

    Rain City Guide January: 59,700 visits, 93,400 page views

    Seattle Bubble January: 87,250 visits, 215,833 page views

    sb-stats-2009-01-tn.jpg
  • Tim would it not be correct that RCGs post you linked refers to visitors not visits, you refer to seattle bubble having visits. Which using that metrics to compare visitors was 59k from RCG post and your google chart shows only 32k?

    I checked compete.com for comparison seems to be correct at least from their judgement.
  • Since Dustin didn't post a screenshot I can only assume that he is using the same terminology he has used in the past, which has referred to Google Analytics' measure of "visits."

    I do know from previous stats Dustin has posted (including the one at the top of this thread) that while RCG doesn't get as many overall hits as Seattle Bubble, they do get more actual unique individual people visiting the site in a given month, because the vast majority of their visits are "drive-by" visitors that drop in a single time and never return, whereas on Seattle Bubble that only makes up about 1/4 of our traffic.

    Compete.com is pretty useless on smaller niche sites like RCG and Seattle Bubble. They don't have tracking code on our sites, and their #s are basically just a wild guess.
  • Since both sites are tagged, Quantcast should have the best comparison data.

    trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Acom.seattlebubble&wunit1=wd:com.raincityguide&drg=&dty=pp&dtr=dm&gl=6mo&ggt=large&showDeleteButtons=true

    Note that Ardell's "bottom call" has really upped traffic at RCG
  • The Quantcast data jives with my comment above. RCG gets more unique "people" (the measure in the Quantcast chart DJO posted), but SB gets far more overall traffic.

    Traffic at both sites has bumped up quite a bit since mid January. I think its mostly due to the seasonal nature of the real estate market.
    trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Acom.seattlebubble&wunit1=wd:com.raincityguide&drg=&dty=hs&dtr=dm&gl=6mo&ggt=large&showDeleteButtons=true

    Also note the "Monthly Visits per Person" chart:
    trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Acom.seattlebubble&wunit1=wd:com.raincityguide&drg=&dty=arp&dtr=dm&gl=6mo&ggt=large&showDeleteButtons=true

    RCG: 1.4
    SB: 4.5

    Rain City gets more drive-by traffic, Seattle Bubble gets more overall traffic. Whatever the reason, we seem to have more engaging content that keeps people coming back for more.
  • you should call bottom. That'll get the drive by's !!!!!!!!!!!
  • deejayoh wrote:
    you should call bottom. That'll get the drive by's !!!!!!!!!!!
    Did you see my idea in the "Is this the bottom?" thread?

    Ardell just had a weekend of bottom-calling. I'm going to up the ante and bring down an entire week of bottom-calling!

    :wink:
  • Wow I just noticed this little tidbit from the Quantcast stats...

    Seattle-area traffic as a % of the whole:

    RCG: 31.3%
    SB: 74.4%
  • I just naturally assumed from the IT point that sites popularity was assumed by the amount of "visitors" i.e. unique it gets as an efficiency for advertisers, not "visits" i.e. 1 person visiting 3 times in 24 hour period.
  • mukoh wrote:
    I just naturally assumed from the IT point that sites popularity was assumed by the amount of "visitors" i.e. unique it gets as an efficiency for advertisers, not "visits" i.e. 1 person visiting 3 times in 24 hour period.
    1 person visiting 3 times in a 24 hour period is only considered 1 "visit." "Visits" reset at the end of each day, so 1 person visiting 3 times in 3 days is 3 "visits."

    Web stats are weird.
  • Ardell made 60 comments to her bottom call post. In those comments she engaged people or invited people to comment.

    It was a set up. She created traffic to coincide with her press release of the post.
  • Ardell made 60 comments to her bottom call post. In those comments she engaged people or invited people to comment.

    It was a set up. She created traffic to coincide with her press release of the post.
    Other than publicity, I doubt Ardell gets much - if anything - off of her participation on RCG. Tim can probably vouch that blogging isn't too financially lucrative as a career.

    Not meant to be a slam on my man Tim - just sayin'. Google is not really good at sharing the wealth...
  • deejayoh wrote:
    Other than publicity, I doubt Ardell gets much - if anything - off of her participation on RCG.
    Yeah but isn't publicity huge for a Realtor? Wasn't there some study that showed that clients identify more with the agent rather than the brokerage?
  • deejayoh wrote:
    Ardell made 60 comments to her bottom call post. In those comments she engaged people or invited people to comment.

    It was a set up. She created traffic to coincide with her press release of the post.
    Other than publicity, I doubt Ardell gets much - if anything - off of her participation on RCG. Tim can probably vouch that blogging isn't too financially lucrative as a career.

    Not meant to be a slam on my man Tim - just sayin'. Google is not really good at sharing the wealth...

    DJ, there are a lot of blogs that are high up in Digg and other social networks that concentrate on revenue, and I have seen people with six figures on blogspot hosted blogs even. It does take about 40k hits a day though. Not 1k.
  • mukoh wrote:
    DJ, there are a lot of blogs that are high up in Digg and other social networks that concentrate on revenue, and I have seen people with six figures on blogspot hosted blogs even. It does take about 40k hits a day though. Not 1k.
    Indeed, if I were willing to plaster the site with ads and write posts that appealed to the lowest common denominator, I'm sure I could get 10x the traffic and be rolling in the dough. Personally, I'm more interested in providing a useful resource that (hopefully) helps people to make better decisions than pimping pixels for profit.
  • You'll know when The Tim sells out when your happy meal comes with a Seattle Bubble toy.
  • "Limited time offer, folks. Call before midnight tonight and get a free "The Tim" bobblehead doll with every purchase...and that's not all!"
  • mukoh wrote:
    deejayoh wrote:
    Ardell made 60 comments to her bottom call post. In those comments she engaged people or invited people to comment.

    It was a set up. She created traffic to coincide with her press release of the post.
    Other than publicity, I doubt Ardell gets much - if anything - off of her participation on RCG. Tim can probably vouch that blogging isn't too financially lucrative as a career.

    Not meant to be a slam on my man Tim - just sayin'. Google is not really good at sharing the wealth...

    DJ, there are a lot of blogs that are high up in Digg and other social networks that concentrate on revenue, and I have seen people with six figures on blogspot hosted blogs even. It does take about 40k hits a day though. Not 1k.

    Let me be more specific then, based on an ad policy like this one, no one is getting rich on ads off of RCG. Four 160 x 60 placements @ $200 a month! (that's a $2 CPM by the way.) Tim is an absolute sell-out based on that comparison!

    I am aware that there are a few highly successful bloggers - but in general I believe the blogoshpere is like the real estate business where a few agents rake in the coin and everyone else splits the crumbs.
  • ira s wrote:
    "Limited time offer, folks. Call before midnight tonight and get a free "The Tim" bobblehead doll with every purchase...and that's not all!"
    Forget that. I'd go with something like this:
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    Only instead of a dog, it would be a pink pony (obviously).
  • I would buy a pink pony bobblehead.


    Just saying.
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