Oh, these 2005 era housing boom stories are fun to reread!

edited October 2007 in Housing Bubble
Thinking about the Oregonian story on Portland condos today

Shadow falls on condo market
"No reason to panic"

Still, real estate insiders remain confident about the long-term future.

They say Portland is immune from the downturn that's infected other big cities. Job growth remains strong, and people continue to move to the area, providing demand for urban living. "It's steady as she goes here," Scanlan said. "There's no reason to panic."

Here's a story from Miami in Sept 2005. See any similarities? :D

Analysts eye Miami's condo boom, raise a 'more risk' sign
I spoke with five residential developers in Miami-Dade. Like the Wachovia analysts, all see dangers. All see solid demand for good units. But all five say too many units are rising at prices too high for end-user demand. Thus, the concern about bubbles.
Even if Miami is under a condo bubble, however, it's not likely to burst with a bang. It's more likely to slowly lose air, for all the reasons the Wachovia analysis noted.
Because we attract buyers from the US and abroad, the 16,000 jobs we create annually that support about 30,000 new residences annually aren't the total demand. Well-to-do outsiders buy second and third homes or even primary residences here but don't work here. This flow makes our housing demand far greater than the growth of our workforce.

Gotta love those real estate insiders. Yup. They know their sh!t

Comments

  • If only people had a MEMORY, and could remember all those national stories about real estate:

    -Real estate has never gone down without job losses, so it can't do so now
    -We'll likely return to more normal rates of appreciation
    -Innovation financing products have allowed more people to afford mortgages
    -Subprime is contained

    I wish people would stop listening to "experts" when in fact it turns out that the experts are the ones with a vested interest to either lie, or just be incredibly biased. NAR, etc.

    If you saw a guy from Exxon on TV saying "it won't hurt Alaska if we drill for oil", most people would be skeptical. They'd say "hold on, you're in the oil industry, why should I trust you?".

    Why don't people have the same level of skepticism towards realtors, mortgage companies, etc? Is it because they have their picture on their business cards? ;)
  • Everybody wants to live in Portland - February is a very magical time there...
  • kpom wrote:
    Everybody wants to live in Portland - February is a very magical time there...

    As magical as October, November, December, January, February, and March here?

    Actually, I've lived in both places, and Portland does have noticeably better weather (if you can believe it). Not appreciably better, but it is better.

    That's why Seattle is one of the leading major cities for SAD here in the USA. It's such a great place to live that half the population is depressed 5 months out of the year.
  • Portland is perhaps marginally (very marginally) less grey than Seattle, but it is also colder - temps seem to hover in the mid-30's for a couple of months in mid-winter - PDX also gets more snowstorms, as well as ice storms. Raining and 35 is magical indeed. Palo Alto it ain't...
  • What I meant is Portland seems to actually have 4 seasons. They aren't as distinguished as in the north east, but you can probably spot them. Seattle tends to have two seasons : winter and August. Winter is when it's 40-60 degrees out and cloudy, August is when it's sunny and mid 80's.
  • What I meant is Portland seems to actually have 4 seasons. They aren't as distinguished as in the north east, but you can probably spot them. Seattle tends to have two seasons : winter and August. Winter is when it's 40-60 degrees out and cloudy, August is when it's sunny and mid 80's.

    Nonsense! The last two weeks in July are pretty nice too.
  • Everybody knows who has lived though the two seasons in the Seattle area (global warming notwithstanding), that Summer arrives July 1, and lasts 10 weeks. After Sept. 15th, all bets are off. (wink).

    Any holidays that fall within that time frame, or any time frame do not maintain the right to have nice weather.
  • Alright, let's revise slightly. On average, July 15th (CM) through September 15th are actually pretty OK (labor day excluded).

    And let's also be fair to the month of May. May 15th-30th are usually nice so all the school kids can get excited until it begins raining nonstop on June 2nd-July 15th.

    Have we covered all the bases? :)
  • And I can drive to decent skiing in 90 minutes, 35 if it's fresh and alpental is going off, and I have countless acres of wild backcountry so I can ski powder any day I want as long as I don't mind earning my turns

    Thanks, I'll take that 10 weeks of summer :D
  • Being 90 minutes from skiing is indeed what makes the winter tolerable...
  • Why let the rain and clouds stop you? There's excellent things to do in the mountains regardless of weather. Hiking in a lush mossy forest in the rain is fantastic.
  • Hey, I actually enjoy the rain. And I appreciate that many people do not. That's why I like to point out how rainy/cloudy it is here.
  • Hey, I actually enjoy the rain. And I appreciate that many people do not. That's why I like to point out how rainy/cloudy it is here.

    Ditto
  • Why let the rain and clouds stop you? There's excellent things to do in the mountains regardless of weather. Hiking in a lush mossy forest in the rain is fantastic.

    I just went mountain biking up at Tiger Mountain last Sunday. It POURED down and we loved it! As long as you're wearing the right clothes, it's not a problem. Of course, we could barely see on the steep ride down, but that's all part of the fun!
  • I am the happiest when I am ankle deep in a creek photographing a waterfall in the autumn rain. :D
  • I am the happiest when I am ankle deep in a creek photographing a waterfall in the autumn rain. :D

    OK, now you've gone too far. ;)
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