How are you diversifying out of the dollar?

edited July 2008 in Investing
So I'm usually pretty good about knowing in general what I should be doing with my money, but horrible on acting on that knowledge. Given current economic uncertainty, this is one time I know I need to get moving. I'm looking for others to share their thoughts on investment alternatives outside the $. What have you done?

Here's what I think my strategy will be:
- Already sold most of my US equity positions. I'll probably keep no more than 25% of my portfolio in this - which isn't really all US, since it's mostly large caps which are by their nature global. Am sitting on a big pile of cash right now
- Plan to invest the cash in a mix of Euro and Yen denominated assets
- Thinking 60/40 between Euro and Yen
- Probably 80/20 Equities vs. bonds
- Looking primarily at mutual funds, mostly because I am too lazy and/or disinterested to pick individual stocks
- Staying away from straight currency plays (see lazy/disinterested comment above)
- I'm not a gold/metals bug. If the global financial system melts down, I just figure I'll go with it.

So, some questions
1) if I buy a mutual fund that has a EU or Asian focus through Fidelity, am I getting a currency hedge as well as market hedge? In other words, are these funds going to go up as the Euro goes up against the $ - or am I really just buying a $ denominated fund that will continue to see erosion in purchasing power?
2) Any recommendations on particular funds?
3) comments on general approach? Suggestions?

Comments

  • Do not overlook our neighbor to the north. Canada is a wonderful play right now. A large amount of their economy is based on mining exports. If there is no global recession, demand will far exceed supply. If their is a recession, supply might be more able to keep up with demand, but this is still a pretty safe bet. Additionally, your money is going to a safe place.

    Another play I'm looking into right now is money markets in foreign currencies. I think you can get a 6% MMA in Great Brittan. This is a good enough return that you aren't betting on either currency, but rather just looking for a decent return and hoping nothing extreme happens to clobber the pounds value against the dollar.

    Finally, I'm not totally sold on Japan. I think their economy might be the second sickest next to our own. I don't have any proof on hand, just a general impression I've been getting lately.
  • edited November 2007
    Nice posts!
  • Very informative post. Thanks Siddha
  • Some ideas for those who are not so optimistic:

    BEGBX: primarily european bond fund
    BEARX: short the US markets and long gold fund
    CEF: central fund of canada - gold + silver
    GLD: gold ETF
    RRPIX: short treasuries (makes money when interest rates rise)

    Keep in mind that markets don't move in a consistent direction and just looking at the headlines this week so far, the stock markets and the dollar appear to be rallying back. The dollar has been so pummelled over the past 2 years (and horribly bad over the past 3 months) that it could be due for a more significant rally...

    Personally, i had thought that the US fed would show more inflation-fighting teeth and would sacrifice the stock market to save the dollar, but it now appears that isn't going to happen, so i'm willing to ride out any counter-trend rally in the dollar..
  • For stability, I'll go with Francs. (FXF). I don't trust the Euros. For more risk, maybe Australian Dollars (FXA). I also own gold and commodities ETF, as well as some gold stocks. Some in Chinese infrastructure stocks like GSH, or mining stock like Brazilian RIO. One thing I am not doing is keeping my USD in saving account or CD.
  • what can you do about money in a 401k though? since they only offer stock funds, bond funds, or money market funds, your options are limited...
  • Lamont, it depends on your 401k. If it has any international funds, go with those. They should be invested in international companies with growth prospects. This is actually better than investing in a currency anyways, because if the company does well and the dollar stabilizes, you win. If the dollar crashes, you win.

    Alternatively, you can put the money into large caps. When the dollar falls, it makes products by GE (for example) cheaper in foreign countries. This should in theory boost sales, which would cause the company to grow faster than the dollar falls. Other larger companies with international sales should produce similar results, hence large caps funds.
  • I just moved them all out to retire money market yesterday, going to stay put until this shitstorm is over. I am up roughly 10% so far, so I am going to wait. Yeah there's really not much you can do. You can quit your job and rollover to IRA. :)
  • A small word of warning, not all money markets are that safe. If they invested in housing (many did), the money market could lose money. It could actually do worst than other investments. Plus, it does not benefit from the falling dollar.

    That said, many MMA are FDIC insured for up to about $100,000. Check that yours is insured for at least what you have in it. If not...
  • Oh well, it's 401k. I sure as heck not going to put it into company stocks. There's not much you can do really.
  • Historically, do individual investors do well when they time the market?

    Sure, the dollar is weak, but then investors are going to purchase american goods. Look at Airbus. It's business is getting hammered by the weak dollar.

    http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/c ... _companies

    Is this something that could happen in other industries?
  • edited July 2008
    Taking the blue pill now.
  • siddha99 wrote:
    Gold is being manipulated by the Plunge Protection Team (PPT) and the central banks worldwide, to artificially prop up the US dollar. Silver is a better investment than gold, IMO.
    Yeah but silver is subject to manipulation by the Loch Ness Monster (Nessie).
  • edited July 2008
    Taking the blue pill now.
  • siddha99 wrote:

    Every time the market drops and then "mysteriously" rallies, knowing individuals look at each other and nod, seeing the handiwork of the PPT (plunge protection team).

    Let's say it straight out. The plunge protection team does not exist. It is an urban myth. Let me step by step prove it does not exist, and see if we can learn something in the process.
    Some excerpts from the savehaven.com article for those that are incapable of clicking and link and reading:
    Every time the market drops and then "mysteriously" rallies, knowing individuals look at each other and nod, seeing the handiwork of the PPT (plunge protection team).

    Let's say it straight out. The plunge protection team does not exist. It is an urban myth. Let me step by step prove it does not exist, and see if we can learn something in the process.

    And he's totally right.
  • edited July 2008
    Taking the blue pill now.
  • siddha99 wrote:
    Or he's totally wrong and you simply regurgitated that which you already believe. Typical human resistance to new information, because it represents ego death at some level. I fully relate to your mental pain. I be human, too

    Haha, I get it. You're aping Maddox in his Loose Change parody:
    Maddox wrote:
    I'm just a kid with a laptop who discovered the truth, but I encourage you to do your own research and come to your own conclusions based on my premise that the government is lying to you and that your disagreement with said premise constitutes your admission of being a sheep.

    Joke's on me I guess.
  • Haha, I get it. You're aping

    Nope. Every 5 months, siddha99 drops by to tell us all we are insane if we don't agree with all 7 of his conspiracies. Also, now that I have labeled them conspiracies I will be called out on this forum by a number of regulars. Especially if I include the Bilderberg Group when scoffing at the irrational fear some people have for conspiracies.
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