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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

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  1. jon

    “Similarly, expecting renters to pay rent amounts that allow landlords to earn an acceptable rate of return on highly priced real estate is like expecting company earnings to rise to provice an acceptable rate of return for stock owners.”

    If rents are not high enough for an acceptable rate of return, then no new apartment buildings will be built, and renters will have to wait for older SFHs to be rented out. With population in Washington rising, there would quickly be a shortage of places to rent and thus rents would rise. It is not a matter of expectation, it is a result of growing population. The population is growing because prices here are lower than other growing job centers, except Texas.

    There may be a short term supply of apartments now because of condo overbuilding, but the numbers are fairly small compared to the monthly growth in population.

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  2. Buceri

    “The population is growing because prices here are lower than other growing job centers, except Texas.” ………..and Florida, North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama. Arm pits? Sure; but the numbers and forecasts show higher job growth than WA.

    And let’s face it, prices are lower than California’s job centers; you can pretty much live cheaper anywhere else (sure Boston, NY are higher).

    Also; cold and rain are not good for your joints; I don’t see too many seniors sticking around.

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  3. jcricket

    I think what’s funny is the attempt to discern, with very simple formulas, exactly what will happen in the future. Outside of historical patterns (which Tim is good at point out) we don’t have any other models with which to predict the future. We can speculate endlessly, but who knows.

    Maybe population growth will diminish. Maybe it will go up. Maybe everyone will want to live downtown (b/c of time value or changes in attitudes). Maybe suburban living will become popular again (b/c of rising crime or perception of the city being ugly). Maybe we’ll build awesome light rail. Maybe another city will take away the type of people that would move to Seattle (Portland?)? Maybe the rich will get richer and buy up all the close-in properties, but the suburbs and ex-urbs will languish b/c middle-class incomes go down. Maybe the opposite will happen, b/c we get a growing economy.

    Maybe we’ll be in a global depression. WWIII? Maybe the Stock market will keep going up an average of 10%/year (like it has over the last 75 years). Or it will never go up again.

    Maybe everyone will face rising costs by cutting back and living with more roomates. Or their incomes will go up and they won’t. Or they will declare bankruptcy and move back in with their families. Or everyone will move out of rural towns and into cities b/c rural life will become unbearable.

    I could go on forever, but after reading this blog for a while the only thing that’s clear to me is that armchair economy theory is worth about as much as you pay for it. I think NotaBull has the only sensible viewpoint – things are more complex than anything the extreme bulls or bears claim, and housing is generally overpriced because of a recent unsustainable runup, but not nearly as overpriced as some believe/hope.

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  5. Interest Rates vs. Home Prices | Seattle Bubble — News & discussion about real estate & the housing bubble in the Seattle area.

    [...] common theme in recent real estate reporting is to repeat the scare-tactic that rising interest rates will eliminate any savings that [...]

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  6. July Reporting Roundup | Seattle Bubble — News & discussion about real estate & the housing bubble in the Seattle area.

    [...] I guess Wanda didn’t get the memo. “Rising interest rates” was last month’s scare tactic. [...]

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