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Entries from June 30th, 2009

Case-Shiller: Anemic Spring Bounce in April

By The Tim on June 30th, 2009 at 7:00 AM · 116 Comments

Let’s make our regularly scheduled monthly check on the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to March data,

Up 0.2% March to April.
Down 16.8% YOY.
Down 22.3% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices rose 0.7% from March to April and year-over-year prices were down 4.9%.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Portland continued to turn in a slightly smaller YOY loss than Seattle. Meanwhile, down in SoCal, the losses continue to get smaller. If Seattle and Portland keep following the trend set by San Diego and Los Angeles, we will see the most extreme YOY drops next March.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In April, eight of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (the same number as the previous four months). Denver at -4.9%, Dallas at -5.0%, Boston at -7.7%, Charlotte at -10.0%, Cleveland at -10.5%, New York at -12.2%, Atlanta at -15.2%, and Portland at -16.0%. As usual, Phoenix had the largest year-over-year drop, with prices falling 35% in a single year.

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the twenty months since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined 22.3%. April’s uptick brought us further from the trendlines of Phoenix and Tampa, and closer to San Francisco. April saw similar upticks in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, DC, and Boston.

Here’s the “rewind” chart. The horizontal range is selected to go back just far enough to find the last time that Seattle’s HPI was as low as it is now. This gives us a clean visual of just how far back prices have retreated in terms of months.

Case-Shiller HPI: Seattle Price Reversion

Seattle’s Case-Shiller value for April 2009 of 149.38 came in just above its May 2005 value of 148.97. Prices have now “rewound” a full four years (longer than this site has been in existence).

Finally, the following chart takes the post-bubble years of 2007, 2008, and 2009 and indexes each January’s Case-Shiller HPI to 100 so we can get a picture of how this year’s declines compare to last year:

Post-Bubble Seattle Case-Shiller HPI by Year

We got the uptick we were expecting for April, but compared to last year’s bump, I’d have to call it somewhat… anemic. If price declines only manage to match last year, Seattle’s index will be just over 29% off peak by December. If we continue to turn in stronger price drops than 2008, we’ll be closer to 32% off peak by December.

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 06.30.2009)

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The Neighbors Paid WHAT?

By The Tim on June 29th, 2009 at 9:06 AM · 49 Comments

In our discussion this weekend about why people would walk away from a mortgage, even though they can afford to continue paying, Tim Kane (S-Crow) pointed out:

It doesn’t take much emotional pull to consider walking away when you see property being purchased across the street for $150,000+ less than what you may have purchased your place for in 2006 and it costing substantially less to cover the monthly payment at today’s market prices. This is more prevalent in newer developments and I would guess can make for interesting neighbor to neighbor discussions.

Well, I spent a little time on Redfin looking at some new construction homes for sale, and it didn’t take long for me to find some examples similar to Tim’s hypothetical scenario:


Camwest "Aspen"Development: Camwest “Tambark Springs”
Floorplan: ~1,700 sqft, 3-bed, 2.5-bath “Aspen” (pictured at right)
Past sales:

New units’ current asking price: $319,950 (~20% off)


Camwest homeDevelopment: Camwest “Shamrock Heights”
Floorplan: ~2,500 sqft, 3-bed, 2.5-bath (pictured at right)
Past sales:

New units’ current asking price: $459,950 (~19% off)


In the first example above, if we (very generously) assume that the folks that bought in ‘06 and ‘07 had 20% down payments and got 30-year fixed-rate mortgages at the going rates at the time, their payments would presently be around $2,400. Today’s buyer with the same sized down payment would have a monthly payment around $1,700.

That’s a ~30% difference in payments. The ‘06-’07 buyers are spending $8,400 a year more for the same house as their neighbors. I imagine most people can think of lots of things they’d rather do with $8,400 a year than to continuously pay for a poor decision they made years ago.

There are tens of thousands of buyers around Seattle who bought at or near the peak with little to no money down. Many of them even got a mortgage that they can technically afford (got ramen?). At the time they bought, it made sense to them to squeeze their budget, because they bought into the notion that if they didn’t get something right away, they would be priced out forever.

Every month that these peak buyers spend in their peak-purchased house they’re basically “throwing away” hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars. Selling isn’t an option, because they owe so much more than the home would sell for. Walking away starts to make sense.

I’m not saying I necessarily recommend walking away as a course of action (or that I don’t), but I can absolutely understand the rationale, especially when you’re in a situation like the above examples, where people buying the exact same house today are paying thousands less per year.

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Monday Open Thread (2009-06-29)

By The Tim on June 29th, 2009 at 12:00 AM · 28 Comments

Here is your open thread for Monday June 29th, 2009. You may post random links and off-topic discussions here. Also, if you have an idea or a topic you’d like to see covered in an article, please make it known.

Be sure to also check out the forums, and get your word in the user-driven discussions there!

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Poll: Do you personally know someone who has walked away from a mortgage they could afford to pay?

By The Tim on June 28th, 2009 at 12:05 AM · 52 Comments

Please vote in this poll using the sidebar.

Do you personally know someone who has walked away from a mortgage they could afford to pay?

  • Yes (29%, 39 Votes)
  • No (71%, 94 Votes)

Total Voters: 133


This poll will be active and displayed on the sidebar through 07.04.2009.

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Dilbert: “I Can’t Afford My Mortgage…”

By The Tim on June 27th, 2009 at 4:21 PM · 15 Comments

I think yesterday’s Dilbert is front-page worthy. At least for a Saturday.

Dilbert Strip for Jun 26, 2009

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May Seasonally-Adjusted Active Supply by Neighborhood

By The Tim on June 26th, 2009 at 12:00 PM · 12 Comments

Due to the definition change by the NWMLS in both the numerator and the denominator in the “months of supply” calculations, I am changing the regular monthly neighborhood update to Seasonally-Adjusted Active Supply (SAAS). For an explanation of what seasonally-adjusted active supply is, please refer to this post. Also, you may view a map of the areas discussed in this post.

Yet again, the sweet interactive data visualizations in today’s post come to you courtesy Tableau Software.

In the charts below I have taken the calculated value for SAAS and subtracted 2, in order to better visualize the difference between a buyer’s market and a seller’s market. Using this method, negative SAAS values indicate a seller’s market, while positive values indicate a buyer’s market.

Summary

King County’s overall SAAS dipped slightly in May, from April’s 2.9, but remained slightly in “buyer’s market” territory at 2.3.

Hit the jump for the rest of this month’s interactive charts and commentary.

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