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Forbes: Seattle Most Likely to Rebound

By The Tim on November 4th, 2008 at 10:04 AM · 57 Comments

In a story eerily similar to SmartMoney’s “best shape for a rebound” article Forbes once again places Seattle #1 on their own list of Real Estate Markets Most Likely To Rebound.

The best cities in which to invest are those that are considered gateways to international investment, have vital downtowns where people can forgo cars, and don’t have a glut of condos or office space.

These traits landed Seattle the No. 1 spot on the list. No city scored above a 6.15 on a scale of one to nine (one being an abysmal place to invest and nine being excellent).

Seattle is “a diversified market, has a good base of business and is becoming a 24-hour city,” says Stephen Blank, senior resident fellow, finance, of the Urban Land Institute. “It’s going to be in a good position to come back.”

Although the city is suffering from the loss of Washington Mutual and the downsizing of Starbucks, Boeing and Microsoft are still relatively strong. Apartment vacancies are low and there aren’t too many new buildings going up, meaning the market won’t be oversupplied. The same is true in the retail space.

I’m really curious what their definition of “too many new buildings” is, because as a recent Seattle Times article pointed out:

More than 2,300 condo units are under construction in the two city centers, according to figures compiled by principal Dean Jones of the condo-marketing firm Realogics. Almost all are scheduled for delivery within the next year.

And that’s just in downtown Seattle and Bellevue. The Forbes article clearly is referring to the greater Seattle area, since they mention Boeing and Microsoft, which have very little presence in the actual Seattle city limits. How many condos, apartments, and housing developments are coming online without buyers when you consider the entire metro area?

(Dorothy Pomerantz, Forbes, 10.29.2008)

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More Good List-Based “News” from Forbes

By The Tim on October 16th, 2008 at 6:00 AM · 30 Comments

The constant stream of lists from Forbes provides a great distraction and source of amusement. Their latest list is no exception. Behold the ten “Best Cities To Ride Out The Recession”:

  1. Austin, TX
  2. Oklahoma City, OK
  3. Honolulu, HI
  4. Portland, OR
  5. Tulsa, OK
  6. Virginia Beach, VA
  7. Seattle, WA
  8. Baltimore, MD
  9. Boston, MA
  10. Lancaster, PA

From the article:

The economy faces a tough recession, but it won’t hit equally everywhere. While some places will get pummeled, others will be far less scathed.

There are cities better poised to weather the crisis. Unemployment is on the rise almost everywhere, but in northwest cities like Portland and Seattle, northeast cities like Boston and Baltimore or energy and agriculture cities like Oklahoma City, Tulsa and Austin, it remains low.

Here’s a link to the summary of their “methodology,” in which they explain that the list is derived from looking at real estate data from Zillow, NAR, and Case-Shiller, job data, income estimates, and GDP for each city.

The hilarious thing to me is that basketball-stealing Oklahoma City was #2, while Seattle placed five spots lower at #7, also getting beat by Tulsa and Portland. Ouch.

Coincidentally, BusinessWeek generated a “Best Cities for Riding Out a Recession” list of its own (related article), which places Seattle lower, but still in the top 20:

  1. Arlington, VA
  2. District of Columbia
  3. Durham, NC
  4. Madison, WI
  5. Boston, MA
  6. Pittsburgh, PA
  7. Baltimore, MD
  8. Baton Rouge, LA
  9. New Orleans, LA
  10. Philadelphia, PA
  11. Lubbock, TX
  12. Anchorage, AK
  13. Lexington-Fayette, KY
  14. Buffalo, NY
  15. Lincoln, NE
  16. Irvine, CA
  17. Seattle, WA
  18. Chesapeake, VA
  19. Albuquerque, NM
  20. Corpus Christi, TX


Hey, we’re ten spaces lower than on the Forbes list, but at least we didn’t get beat by Oklahoma City.

(Joshua Zumbrun, Forbes, 10.15.2008)
(Prashant Gopal, BusinessWeek, 10.14.2008)

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