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125% Refinance: Pricing You IN for a Decade or More

By The Tim on July 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 AM · 145 Comments

Astute readers have no doubt have learned by now of yesterday’s announcement by HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan that the federal government’s “Making Home Affordable” plan will now allow mortgages owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to be refinanced with loan-to-value ratios of up to 125%.

I won’t go into all the details of the announcement since you can find good coverage of the changes over at the P-I or Rain City Guide. Instead, I thought it would be interesting to see what the long-term financial picture might look like for someone who plans to take advantage of this program.

Let’s take a look at some hypothetical home borrowers who currently owe $400,000 in various mortgages with difficult terms or high rates, and whose home is presently worth $320,000. They jump on the new FHFA Home Affordable Refinance Program and refinance into a single 30-year fixed-rate loan at a 5.75% interest rate with a 125% loan-to-value ratio.

I hope that our hypothetical couple doesn’t want to move any time in the next 13 years, because under a relatively optimistic home value appreciation scenario that’s how long it will take before they will be able to sell without bringing money to the table:

125% Loan-to-Value Home Refinance

Note that the home sale proceeds line assumes paying 6% of the sale price to real estate agents, as well as an additional 2% to account for excise taxes and other costs of selling. You can also download the spreadsheet I used to create these charts and tweak the values yourself.

With the home value appreciation tweaked to a slightly less rosy scenario, it takes 17 years before our couple can break even selling their house:

125% Loan-to-Value Home Refinance

According to a 1993 study by the Census Bureau (pdf) only ~10% of home owners stayed in one house for over ten years. A 2001 study (pdf) by the NAR-funded Joint Center for Housing Studies put the median length of home ownership at 8.2 years. Refinancing one’s home into a 30-year loan for 125% of the house’s value will most likely lock the borrower into their present home for a period of time longer than 90% of people usually stay in their homes.

If the goal of this new 125% loan-to-value program is to financially imprison people in their current homes for a decade or more, then it looks like it could be a rousing success. However, I’m not sure how many currently struggling home borrowers would really consider that to be much of a “help.”

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Poll: Where will 30-year mortgage interest rates be a year from now?

By The Tim on March 29th, 2009 at 12:05 AM · 10 Comments

Please vote in this poll using the sidebar.

Where will 30-year mortgage interest rates be a year from now?

  • <4% (8%, 22 Votes)
  • 4% - <5% (27%, 69 Votes)
  • 5% - <6% (36%, 94 Votes)
  • 6% - <7% (14%, 36 Votes)
  • 7% - <8% (3%, 8 Votes)
  • 8% + (12%, 11 Votes)

Total Voters: 259


This poll will be active and displayed on the sidebar through 04.04.2009.

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An Overview of the Housing/Credit Crisis

By The Tim on March 9th, 2009 at 6:00 AM · 42 Comments

A couple people forwarded me a link to a 116-page pdf titled An Overview of the Housing/Credit Crisis And Why There Is More Pain to Come that is worth checking out.

Here’s a look at the table of contents:

  • Overview of the Great Mortgage Bubble
  • Causes of the Great Mortgage Bubble
  • Consequences of the Bursting of the Great Mortgage Bubble
  • The Outlook for Home Prices is Grim
  • Economic Weakness Creates an Additional Headwind for Home Prices
  • There Are Only a Few Bits of Good News
  • What Does the Future Hold?
  • A Primer on Option ARMs
  • A Primer on HELOCs and Closed-End Seconds
  • A Closer Look at Mortgage Loans That Were Securitized: Quantity and Quality
  • A Closer Look at Mortgage Loans That Were Securitized: Defaults
  • Where Did the Securitized Mortgages End Up? A Primer on ABSs and CDOs
  • The Opportunity in Distressed Debt

All in all it’s a great paper that I recommend for anyone that is still confused about how we ended up here and why this was never a “normal housing cycle.”

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30 yr fixed around 5%

By S-Crow on November 25th, 2008 at 12:47 PM · 30 Comments

Our resources tell us phones are ringing off the hook. 

I’m hearing rates for purchases and refi’s are anywhere from 5.25% to 5.125% at par. Earlier this year, I sent out an APB for people who are waiting for super rates.  Here they are again.  Let me know off-line if you would like a reference to loan officers who can give you a good faith estimate and get the ball rolling.

S-Crow

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Government Loan Limits Lowered $60k for Seattle

By The Tim on November 10th, 2008 at 4:55 PM · 18 Comments

As astute market observers may recall, back in March (pre-complete-government-takeover) the conforming loan limit for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac-backed loans was bumped from $417,000 to $567,500 for the Seattle area (King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties). At that time, the local press was touting the new limits at “a big dose of first aid” and the “shot in the arm” for the housing market, while here at Seattle Bubble we asked the question: Will Higher Government Loan Limits Boost Seattle’s Market?

Our conclusion was that the added lending restrictions attached to the “Temporary Jumbo Conforming” loans set the bar sufficiently high as to prevent the higher limits from having the (apparently intended) effect of preventing home prices from falling further. Given that the median price of homes in the Seattle area have fallen 6-8% in the intervening seven months, it would appear that this assessment was accurate. Of course, one could argue that perhaps without the higher conforming limit, prices would have dropped 10% or more in the same time, and there’s really no way to know whether that might be true.

If we assume that the Seattle area’s $567,500 temporary conforming limit did in fact somehow soften the blow, however slightly, then the latest news that this limit is being dropped to $506,000 is likely to be unwelcome. However, it should be noted that as far as I am aware, all the same restrictions are still in place including, but not limited to:

  • Fixed-rate loans are limited to 90% LTV/CLTV (loan to value/combined loan to value).
  • Minimum FICO for any loan is 660.
  • Minimum FICO for LTVs greater than 80% is 700.
  • No late mortgage payments in the preceding 12 months.
  • Full doc only.

While the $567,500 temporary limit was based on a calculation of 125% of the median home price (source), the new $506,000 limit is “set equal to 115 percent of local median house prices” (source). So the new loan limit translates to a drop in government-calculated median home price from $454,000 around March to $440,000 around October.

Interestingly, although the King County SFH median price was $440,000 in May, the Snohomish County SFH median has never breached $400,000, and Pierce County topped out below $300,000. This is explained in the announcement pdf:

In calculating loan limits, FHFA used median house price estimates calculated by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Those values have been estimated in a manner consistent with requirements of the National Housing Act, which requires that median prices for all counties in metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs) be set equal to the median price for the highest-cost county.

So will the new, lower limit put even more of a damper on Seattle area home sales? Or was the effect of the higher limit so negligible that the reduction won’t really matter?

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In the trenches update

By S-Crow on September 30th, 2008 at 11:13 PM · 13 Comments

First, something to lighten the spirits of everyone:

Tales of homeownership:

If you are on a septic system, don’t drive over a waste line with a 10 ton truck loaded with gravel.  I did and just learned that PVC waste lines will indeed pancake.  The result is rather disgusting.  – SCrow

No one is lending money:  that is false.

Although the pace of transactions is meaningfully lower than what we have seen, the idea that no-one is lending money is not the case.   Our office is closing routine sales, closing short sales and refinance transactions.  The difference is that closings are taking longer, authentic underwriting is taking place and FHA is appearing to be very much the type of financing people are using.   And, yes, borrowers are asking for and receiving concessions.

Some of the loan officers (still in business) we have worked with during the last 4-5 yrs. have jumped from one firm to the other that is FHA approved.  FHA is the name of the game right now.

In the area in which I live (Snohomish and vicinity), we have had several sales take place over the last month  or so, and, among those, a couple properties closer to where I live sold for $750K and up.   So, there are some people who are snooping around and finding very good values for the current market we are in.  My guess is that if you asked, “why in the world would they buy in this market”, they would reply, “talk to me in 15 -20 yrs.”  And that is one of the primary real estate mindset shifts I’m discovering:  few are those who are not looking at a long-term horizon in their purchase.

There are some absurd decisions being made

The unique view from the escrow seat allows for a lot of discussion in the S-Crow household, some of it funny and some of it just remarking about how foolish some people have been.

For example, a seller purchased a home within the last year to flip it.   The seller made improvements and put it back on the market.  The seller then obtained an offer and the transaction moved towards closing.   Once escrow disclosed proceeds, the seller evidently did not like the net proceeds after expenses:  not enough (code for potential paper loss).  Buyer is ready to close and the seller refused to sign closing documents.  You’d think that a seller would know within a small range what the proceeds would be before putting the home on the market and wasting everyone’s time and money.  Result: highly probable legal action moved the seller to sign.

There are a number of people in our society (save the politics for another blog) that just refuse to take personal responsibility for stupid personal financial decisions.  This is an issue that Mrs. S-Crow and I argued a lot over in months past.  I’m starting to come to the conclusion that her analysis has more merit than my “it’s not all the borrower’s” fault mentality circulating in my head.  Some borrowers did put too much trust in the people guiding them along the way.  But, in the end, their signature is on the Note and Deed of Trust.

We are at the bottom, locally:  I don’t think so.

I have no data to back this up, but my anecdotal evidence of closings is the best I can come up with.   Based upon what I see in the refinancing realm over the last three quarters of this year,  I see some existing homeowners delaying the inevitable.   Refinancing costs thousands of dollars and there is a pervasive thought (I don’t know where some people get their information…either they are terribly not paying attention or someone is giving them false hope, which in many cases is more dangerous and damaging than being honest about where the chips are falling) that the market will turnaround within the next year or two.  Possible?  Anything is I suppose.  Likely?  Nope.

Real scenario:  It is not realistic that a borrower can purchase a home late in 2006 for $500K+,  now owes in the realm of $540K on the property and think that in two years time (2009-2010) they can have an equity gain to pay routine closing costs.   And this is in a development that was birthed in 2005 that has already experienced a foreclosure and another distress sale (as so disclosed by the very borrowers that were signing their closing documents!).   It is a classic example of a potential, not to distant, distress sale staring at me in the face.

Are the closed sales-price-to-list-price ratios accurate?:  a question for local agents.

For example, if you have a listed price at the time of the sale of $100K and the sale closed at a price of $95K, you would have a 95% list-to-sales-price ratio.  This is used a lot by agents to gauge how well priced a home was and another metric to show that homes in an area are selling on average, for example, about 97-99% of the list price.   Does the NWMLS use the ORIGINAL list price in this metric or the last posted list price?

What’s up with all the Steve Tytler negativity?

Steve was was of the severely few locals in the business of lending that was reporting publicly that we were going to experience lower housing prices.   Straight shooting integrity is what we need in this industry.

Questions about transactional things?:   Just drop me an e-mail as many recently have and in the past.  I may not have all the answers, but I’ll do what I can.

- S Crow

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