Condo price drops: "It won't happen."

edited May 2009 in Seattle Real Estate
This gem from a July 2007 (the peak month for Seattle's housing market) column by our fondly-missed Elizabeth Rhodes strikes me as particularly amusing:

Will condo prices fall?
Q: A friend has this theory that the cost of new $500,000 to $700,000 condominiums will drop significantly in the next two years because it's mostly investors who are purchasing the standard $300,000 to $500,000 units in these new projects, and no one is buying the more-expensive units. So once the mid-priced units are sold, the developers will be in a rush to sell the rest and they'll cut prices. What are your thoughts on this?

A: Real-estate economist Matthew Gardner follows the Seattle condominium market closely, and he's confident that new condo prices will not drop. In fact he says, "It won't happen."

"Point one: in today's market $500,000 to $700,000 is cheap. The market has exceeded that number," says Gardner, a principal in Gardner Johnson, a Seattle land-use economics firm. That's particularly true in downtown Seattle where new million-dollar condos abound and in the more-affluent Eastside communities. Propelling sales in that price range are dual-income career couples (some of whom purchased in Belltown a few years ago for $250,000 and now have the wherewithal to trade up to $600,000). Equity-rich baby-boomer homeowners looking to downsize are an even larger buyer group.

Point two: "Right now the situation is that most projects are sold out before they're even built," Gardner says. So there isn't a glut of $500,000 to $700,000 condos.

Point three: The Seattle area is growing, wages are going up so buying power is increasing, and "we haven't seen a ridiculously large amount of supply," notes Gardner.

He estimates 1,200 new condos will be added to downtown Seattle's inventory this year. Compare that to Miami where developers are cutting prices because sales are scarce and there are 8,500 downtown condos for sale.

Comments

  • Actually, condos are getting more valuable in this market.
    At Florera, a condominium across Northeast Ravenna Boulevard from Circa that was completed last year, only about 15 of the 59 units have sold. Developer Pryde Johnson recently put the remainder up for lease, with options to buy.

    "We're just buying time for the market to recover," principal Curt Pryde said. "Nothing new's being built. What's there now is just going to get more valuable."

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b ... ake18.html
  • Heh, I had also forgotten about this gem until I stumbled upon one of this guy's posts over on the Trulia forums...

    From the October 2007 post Realistic or In Denial? You be the judge.
    At this time I see buyers sitting back, waiting for wholesale price drops. This will only go on so long before they realize that the bottom of the market has been reached. But they will not know this until they watch prices start going back up, for the most stubborn of buyers it will take about 3 months of steady increases for them to realize that the bottom of the market has passed. Prices will start inching upward probably no later than the return of sunny weather early next year. After a few months of this, buyers will get the hint and return.
    Whoops. Guess that didn't turn out quite like he expected.
  • At first, I thought Gardner was just your classic perma-bull. Then I began to realize the guy is just not that bright. I will give him credit where due: He was able to convince people to pay him for his advice. The real fools are the ones who handed over money to this 'economist'.

    I'd say he belongs in the Hall of Shame with the likes of Greg Swann.
  • Greg Swann is my favorite intellectual elitist. I use him as the prime example of what's wrong with the Real Estate business. He took some classes, worked a couple of years as an agent then BOOM he's a Broker with a blog and then Real Estate expert. He has the whole National Association of REALTOR alphabet salad. He's a GRI, CRS, SRO, FYG, LMNOP so he must know what he's talking about.

    Most of all he's a Broker who attracts other Brokers to his nationally recognized site. The whole thing is the biggest mess of disinformation on the web today.

    Oh yea, about condos. I counted eleven cranes in down town Seattle this week before I stopped counting. There is so much more dirt to be developed that it's inconceivable we will ever run low on housing units in Seattle.

    The outlying areas that should be dropping prices fast. When new housing units, condos, go on the block there will be a serious impact on pricing. If in city prices go down that hour commute will seem harder to take.
  • I just found a really good source of condo sales information for downtown here:

    http://www.stroupecondoblog.com/categor ... -area-701/

    He has closings taken from a title company, not NWMLS - so captures the direct sales.
  • Considering REITs are working on two deals right now in Downtown to buy at 50 cents on the dollar, that condo insider is nuts. The fault here is that he KNOWS about this happening.
  • tomtom wrote:
    Actually, condos are getting more valuable in this market.
    At Florera, a condominium across Northeast Ravenna Boulevard from Circa that was completed last year, only about 15 of the 59 units have sold. Developer Pryde Johnson recently put the remainder up for lease, with options to buy.

    "We're just buying time for the market to recover," principal Curt Pryde said. "Nothing new's being built. What's there now is just going to get more valuable."

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b ... ake18.html

    That was my FAVORITE quote in that Greenlake article! The next paragraph was pretty good too:
    At Ashworth Cottages, another recently completed Pryde Johnson project at the north end of the lake, two of 20 homes have closed. Pryde said he sold another last week and is considering three more offers.

    But Bank of America moved earlier this year to foreclose on the 18 unsold units, according to county records. The trustee's sale has been postponed twice, and Pryde said last week he has worked things out with the lender.

    But the property still is scheduled to be sold at auction Friday.
  • deejayoh and mukoh,

    I had a question come up in class last week and I didn't know the answer. What do you think?

    Q: When an entire condo complex is sold to one person or entity, does that count (in the statistics) as one sale or do all the units get counted individually?

    The sale referenced was taking place prior to foreclosure.
  • "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
    ~~ Bertrand Russell ~~ (1872 - 1970)

    I must say back in 2007 there was ZERO doubt HERE as to the outcome would be....and so it is.
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