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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

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  1. Nice data, Tim. Living in 720 and planning on listing my house on Monday, I can tell you it’s definitely a buyer’s market here, regardless of MOS being still healthy. Houses that are priced at last summer’s prices are just sitting.

    Houses in the low-end, which is what I’m selling, which were selling at 340K-350K last summer are just sitting until they drop their price near 300K or below.

    The market is changing so fast that it’s hard for the statistics to keep up. I have to limit my comps to the last 3 months, and even then they are stale and unreliable.

    The flipper next-door told me a few weeks ago he was listing soon at $315K, assuming I was going to go significantly higher than that. When I told him I was thinking about around there or a little lower, he’s become increasingly speedy and surly. I think he’s starting to realize that he may not be making as much as he thought, or perhaps be looking at a loss when taking into account his labor and materials costs.

    Nobody likes to work until midnight for free. Just ask me.

  2. That’s the third swing of 5 months’ worth of supply in one month for Mercer Island. With sales this slow, and data broken down into small areas, drawing trend from a single month’s data point is pretty unconvincing.

    I’m guessing that West Bellevue (520) sellers are holding firm on their prices in anticipation of all the office space coming online in downtown Bellevue. I’d be interested in some charts about the volume and timing of that, and some clues as to how much will be new jobs versus elbow room for Microsofties.

  3. what happened to line graph?

  4. I don’t really consider a Seller’s advantaged market until the AR’s hit 3 months and below. 3-6 months AR’s are really a more balanced market.

    Most Seattle and Eastside areas were improved from January, but more or less even with February AR’s.

    I track AR’s weekly and I’ve seen sales rate increases in most Seattle and Eastside areas in the last 2 weeks.

    High end sales on the Eastside (particularly rural Eastside) have almost stopped which are affecting overall Eastside AR’s. The Eastside is seeing Seller’s markets (<3 months) in many of the lower price ranges. Certain price ranges in Seattle are Seller’s markets.

    Lack of sales in the high end will affect median prices. I don’t see how we can accurately compare YOY medians in areas affected by the lack of high end sales.

    Large Eastside areas like Area 600 is producing the majority of sales in the western, core part. The further east, the slower the market — in all price ranges.

    This market is all over the board.

  5. I’m never sure what to think of these numbers. I often hear that Seattle is balanced at under 4.5 months of supply, but I understand why you are using the more bullish 6 months.

    Are any of these numbers rolling averages? It’s been pointed out that the values are real small, but maybe if we used a 3-6 month rolling average they would look more reasonable…

  6. Greg (#5), what does AR stand for?

  7. Absorption rate.

  8. The “Market Action Index” over at Altos is basically the absorption rate – and their page shows that anything less than 25 is a “buyer’s market”. That’s 4 months of inventory. Most of the Puget Sound is tracking at ~15-17% over there.

  9. I use the term “absorption rate” and MOS “months of inventory” interchangeably (how long it takes inventory to absorb). I refer to the percentage number as the “sales ratio”.

    Nonetheless, whatever the terminology, AR’s give us the measurement of supply and demand, which in my mind is the best of all market indicators.

    Here’s a link to an article that I wrote around AR’s and sales ratios.
    http://workingforyou.typepad.com/feature_article_pricing_t/

    Bili, I wish you well on the sale of your house!

  10. Thanks, Greg. We may need it.

  11. I think that large scale changes in way residential real estate is transacted makes these historical statistics less useful. We are all familiar with the securitization of mortgages (in many cases, poor mortgages) – this explosion of financing opportunities is what allowed prices to rise so dramatically. As with any trend, it overshot the peak significantly and now we’re seeing the correction. So, during the period of rise we saw much higher transaction rates, but – when we reach a new stable plateau (which hasn’t happened yet), my opinion is that we’ll return to the pre-boom levels of appreciation and sales rates. However, the securitization of (good) mortgages will continue to exist, which will support overall prices at a higher level than before the “boom”.

  12. jonI’m guessing that West Bellevue (520) sellers are holding firm on their prices in anticipation of all the office space coming online in downtown Bellevue.

    Yeah, the sellers in Herndon, VA were saying the same thing 2 years ago. Today, homes within walking distance to the new VW north american headquarters and several million square feet of brand new Class-A office space are selling for 40%+ off peak market values. And this is in an area where median household incomes are over $100K and unemployment is under 3%.

    Office space built during the bubble is what it is – mis-allocated capital.

  13. I’d love to see the AR and corresponding MOS for $1,000,000+ homes and condos.

    Those would be some ugly statistics that nobody could spin.

  14. I think that large scale changes in way residential real estate is transacted makes these historical statistics less useful.

    I heard the same thing about .com companies in 2000. “It is different now.”

  15. EconE: take a look at the second page of this:

    http://www.alanpope.com/Mar08/All_NWMLS.pdf

  16. Thanks jon…I checked it out and also compared it to my own redfin searches showing the last 3 months of sales. The 3 month numbers are about the same as the total of Jan, Feb and March numbers for sales…however…the numbers are actually much uglier than those charts show. I’ll point out whereI feel the spin is on these numbers.

    For example…ahhh…I’ll throw a few examples out.

    Here’s a couple from the most egregious offender of those numbers. It is an apartment complex in Bellevue that is actually listed as 102 different sales on Redfin. I won’t link every one for times sake…but yes…you read correctly…One Hundred and Two “counts” for that one sale.

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=61120

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=31344

    Plus there are quite a few “whole” apartment complexes listed too….such as…

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=2068963

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=2060240

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=2060775

    and many many more.

    Then there are the parking spots that are listed as sales…such as the ones that came with this condo…

    condo …

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=61201

    parking spot (or storage?) #1 & #2…

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=51457

    http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-property?external_id=68679

    See what I mean?

    U G L Y

  17. thanks jon…i replied but my comment never made it out of tims filter

    one 1mm+ sale was listed 102 times on redfin. Once for each unit in the apartment complex that sold in bellevue

  18. thanks for digging that comment out of the trash Tim. :o)

  19. Anyone know what’s happening to rental supply right now? Is all the overpriced crap out there renting? Or is rental supply building for another crash?

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