Posted by: The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

45 responses to “The Missing Real Estate Book”

  1. jesus christ

    i think the third option because i believe not enough home buyers are doing their homework well enough and need unbiased help for good market decision making. plus,easy for you and will sell many copies making you many fiat dollars!

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  2. Updog

    I’d like to see exposure of fraud, corruption, or cronyism in the selling of foreclosures and shortsales during the burst of the bubble. I’ve heard so many anecdotal tales of people submitting offers on houses of these types, only to have the offer ignored and no evidence the listing agent ever sends it to the bank. It seems these listings put the agent in a position to only give banks the offer that was most beneficial to the agent.

    I can understand how difficult this would be to expose, but it seems like the great untold story of the burst.

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  3. Ira Sacharoff

    I’d go with Option number 2. People like witty/humorous, and that’s one of your gifts. Plus you’d be writing about a unique historical time that you were a part of. I smell bestseller.
    Option 1 would be hard to get people to read, because, as you said, it’s a crowded field, and I’m not sure how you can differentiate it from the myriad of other books like it out there. Yes, you’ve got different things to say, but all the authors say that.
    Option 3 would provide useful information, but an entire book dedicated to teaching people how to analyze data could be a real snoozefest.

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  4. Dweezil

    I would definitely like to see option #2 immortalized for all time. I think that we (the general we, as in society/humans) have a pretty short memory and will see history repeat itself. Plus, 20 years from now, there will be buyers who never heard of the Great Housing Bubble.

    In 2032, as housing sees enormous appreciation, some wise sage will be saying in their virtual reality online discussion holodeck, “You guys need to read Tim Ellis’ book about what happened back at the turn of the century.”

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  5. Peter Witting

    I would like the witty and humorous retelling of the housing bubble ~ first, I like anything witty and humorous, second there’s alot of material to work with, and finally, it can be presented as a warning or cautionary tale.

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  6. Blurtman

    I think the story at this point is best told obliquely, as background to another storyline. Such as something like a police investigation of a serial killer, played by the Annette Benning RE agent character in American Beauty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS06JvtlAc8

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  7. Blurtman

    RE: Blurtman @ 6 – With cameos by Kary as the clueless co-worker and victim number 6, and Ira as the pot smoking prime suspect, who uncovers the nefarious RE murder connection, and must escape for his life from one of Mastro’s forfeited mansions.

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  8. tim

    I think option #2 would be most entertaining as stated above, but you could also quite easily incorporate the most sentient segments and lessons from option 1 and 3 into the option 2 book.

    Say, for instance, a more quick and streamlined version of the analysis in option 3 that led you to question the whole bubble sentiment at the time, and the analyses that allowed you to determine finally when it was the right time (for you) to buy. Or entertaining anecdotes on option 1 situations during the bubble that were stretched to humorous proportions.

    That would be informative, entertaining, historical, and a good mix of the dry (but essential analyes and issues) and the soft (humorous anecdotes).

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  9. Ira Sacharoff

    By Blurtman @ 7:

    RE: Blurtman @ 6 – With cameos by Kary as the clueless co-worker and victim number 6, and Ira as the pot smoking prime suspect, who uncovers the nefarious RE murder connection, and must escape for his life from one of Mastro’s forfeited mansions.

    I don’t need the cameo role. George Clooney can take the part.

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  10. Jill Schlicke

    The Tim: Go with option 3 and insert stories from option 2.

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  11. jesus christ

    why not compile all your rchive posts into a textbook style softback which you could have endless revisions of and pimp it to universities,professors and the educational industrial complex- I see $dollar$ signs$$$$$!weeeee

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  12. Kary L. Krismer

    The problem with #1 is it would be largely limited to Washington state, and might be out of date rather quickly.

    I doubt there would be that much interest in #2.

    So that leaves #3. I think that could be very useful if done right.

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  13. tomtom

    Make sure the story includes sparkly vampires, and you’ll have a hit.

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  14. One Eyed Man

    Tim, you’ve probably considered and rejected what I’m about to say at least in part because you want to avoid the lack of objectivity implied when one has a personal role in the story. And as any good journalist knows, a journalist is supposed to tell the story, not be the story. But I’m a romantic at heart and I’m going to say it anyway. I think you should do a piece that’s perhaps a version of #2 but with a lot more of your personal journey giving context to the story (a family story if you will). After all, isn’t the struggle to create a better life for your family what lead you on this quest to begin with?

    The book would integrate you as a central figure on your investigative journey trying to deal with the issue of whether to buy a home and what was going on in the market place as the bubble inflated, burst and deflated. It could combine the entertainment value of 2 and the intellectual value of 1 and 3 into a story line that included stats, math, and the ability of the “common man” to go beyond the industry hype with internet era available data sources. It would have plot, humor, intellectual depth and a central character/narator unraveling a mystery in his pursuit of the seemingly lost american dream.

    If people have a hero (or “anti-hero” as the case may be) that they can relate to and identify with, the story is much more likely to capture their interest and give personal meaning to the stats and data which arm the hero (and the reader) to slay the real estate dragons. I believe in science and mathmatics, but they lack meaning without context. The struggle of the individual and his family to understand and overcome the perils of the bubble are the context that make the journey meaningful.

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  15. ray pepper

    I think any real estate book would suck other then interviews and pics of “The hottest real estate people in the PNW.”…Kendra Todd could be in there, Steve Tytlers secretary, My wife who walks onto our website when you reach the homepage, me (of course), and quite possibly Ira.

    They do it in Los Angeles… http://la.curbed.com/archives/2011/08/las_hottest_brokers_round_1_heat_3_meet_the_last_eight_women.php

    You’d probably sell more copies doing this, then anything else. Put me down for a calendar.

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  16. wreckingbull

    Agree on #2.

    The real estate industry takes themselves way too seriously (except for Ira) and humor can actually be educational. Why not bridge the gap between humor and knowledge, not unlike Jon Stewart has done with politics? Seriously, if you look back at the last 8 years and can’t laugh, you don’t have a pulse. I mean, really, look at the material you have:

    http://www.bloodhoundrealty.com/BloodhoundBlog/?p=114

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  17. Scott

    Tim, what are your top 3 most read/visited articles from this blog?

    Those are likely what topics you should choose from.

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  18. WestSeattleDave

    I am a native southern Californian who has lived here for several decades. I came across SeattleBubble while reading the Irvine Housing Blog from Larry Roberts back in 2006-7. He too commented on the local real estate market (in Irvine, Orange County, California), using lots of stats and a decidedly anti-realtor outlook. It was truly eye-opening. Or maybe eye-popping!

    He also wrote a book, which he self published and distributed himself. I don’t think he got rich. It was along the lines of #2 above. It was very informative, but could have used some judicious editing. So Tim — if you are going to write a book (and I think you should), get an editor and don’t quit your day job!

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  19. wreckingbull

    I just need to vote again for #2, because I am starting to think back on the history of this blog and I am literally starting to crack up. Here are a few gems I can remember:

    1. Finance Guru, the downtown condo lady’s man. No way his condo was going to lose value, because hey, he was The Finance Guru. Hmm….’Guru’, I think we have heard that term in the last week.

    2. Larry Cragun’s attack on you, and then you meeting him at some RE blogger event later on. Did he bring up the attack? Say “I was just kidding”?

    3, Lovable Meshugy. I think we all look back at him with a slight tinge of fondness. At least the guy believed his own BS, and did so honestly.

    4. Angry Mac – WTF hapenned to that guy? Did he self-destruct?

    5. The 100-year wars – Ray vs. Millionaire Mike, Kary vs. Pegasus, etc…

    6. Ray’s periodic stomach condition report, post-Claimjumper.

    7. Eleua slashing and burning.

    The list goes on and on…

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  20. NewHomeOwnerInFremont

    RE: tomtom @ 13 – Forget the sparkly vampires. It’s all about the pink ponies.

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  21. Lilypad

    RE: One Eyed Man @ 14 – I completely agree with One Eyed Man. That would be a book I’d want to read. It reminds me of one I just finished, actually: Gimme Shelter by Mary Elizabeth Williams
    http://www.amazon.com/Gimme-Shelter-Mary-Elizabeth-Williams/dp/1416557091/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340409253&sr=1-1&keywords=mary+elizabeth+williams
    It’s got personal anecdotes, stats, history etc. and it really paints a picture of that place and time (NYC, early 2000′s real estate scene). I’m sure you could do it without being quite as precious and annoying as that author was at times. ;-)

    Another one in that vein is Busted: Life Inside the Great Mortgage Meltdown by Edmund L. Andrews: http://www.amazon.com/Busted-Inside-Great-Mortgage-Meltdown/dp/0393067947/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340409950&sr=1-4&keywords=busted
    where he details his many awful real estate bubble mistakes. It’s a train wreck, basically, and you can’t resist.

    p.s. thanks for posting the link to Kendra’s book. Reading the bad reviews was fun.

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  22. Lilypad

    RE: Lilypad @ 21 – p.p.s. I asked advice from all of you in 2009 re going through with a short sale or staying put and hoping the market would come back. We ended up doing the short sale and have been happily renting for the last 2-1/2 years. The home we sold is still worth about $175,000 less than we paid for it. Tim, I am a happy customer. I will read any book that you write!

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  23. Peter Witting

    RE: wreckingbull @ 19

    8. Kary and Adelle’s constant flirting…

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  24. Pegasus

    Here are some titles that come to mind, feel free to use them: “The Pink Pony Club Flies Into The Sun”….”Millionaire Mike and Me”….”RedFin Is Not A Tuna”….”Guess Who I Found Lurking In My Bushes In Everett?”…. “Mr McKrismer’s Garden” ….”How To Get Idiots To Stop Posting On Your Blog”….”Secret Real Estate Agent Tricks”…. “Real Estate Secret Agents”….. “Teaching Your Real Estate Agent Stupid Dog Tricks”……..I have many more if needed…

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  25. David Losh

    You should speak more. You have a great presence when you speak; it’s even handed, matter of fact. You’ve handled press well.

    I think your book should be about your blog. You’ve done a great job keeping a bunch of characters in line, and moving forward.

    More people would envy your web presence if they were looking at it the way they look at Dustin Luther.

    The book would be the thing to help you sell the speaking engagements. Those engagements you could video, because as I was saying you have a great presence.

    By selling your own products you could monetize your site, and keep it going.

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  26. David

    A mix of 2 and 3 would be great to read.

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  27. Azucar

    Two and three would go together pretty well… the analysis part being illustrated and made clear by the real history of the bubble, and made more light and easy to read by sprinkling in some humor about characters/kooks.

    My suggestion for a title is “An Engineer in a Real Estate Agent’s World – the Unauthorized Autobiography of a Bubble Blogger” (Unauthorized to make it sound more saucy.)

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  28. IrvineRenter

    As was mentioned above, I wrote the book you described in #2, The Great Housing Bubble.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0615226930?ie=UTF8&tag=thegrehoubub-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0615226930

    You can get the PDF here.

    http://www.thegreathousingbubble.com/images/uploads/book/The%20Great%20Housing%20Bubble%20ebook%20%28printable%29.pdf

    Writing a book is a lot of work, and getting it published by a major publisher willing to bankroll the marketing necessary to sell many copies is very difficult.

    Like you, I have many readers who enjoyed by writing style and analysis, and I thought I had the support to make it successful. I did sell a couple thousand copies, but I lacked the credentials and fame required to get the big book deal. I had a complete manuscript and a strong real estate background, and my book came out at a time when there was a stronger interest in this issue, and after contacting dozens of publishers and agents, I was not able to get traction. I’m not saying you couldn’t, but the odds are strongly stacked against you. If you decide to go that route, I wish you the best of luck. I will buy a copy when it comes out.

    IrvineRenter

    Larry Roberts

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  29. Scotsman

    Yup, 2 for the intro half followed by a generalized 3 that would work in all regions.

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  30. ess

    An amusing book about the housing market and its excesses is called

    House Lust

    By Dan McGinn

    I recomend this fast but informative read to everyone

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  31. Pegasus

    Do an expose on short sale tactics. The abuses are rampant and you might actually help clean it up. You can go undercover as a former streetcar conductor trying to find a home for his cars.

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  32. MichaelB

    By Scott @ 17:

    Tim, what are your top 3 most read/visited articles from this blog?

    Those are likely what topics you should choose from.

    This one wins hands down:

    2.242 comments, 06/21: The $ex Offender Bogeyman

    A Classic! It could be a book in its own right.

    BTW, suggest you have Kary as your ghostwriter. He’s an authority on almost every topic…

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  33. MichaelB

    Here’s the link. Great stuff!

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  34. MichaelB

    RE: The Tim @ 34

    Tim, not sure about unhealthy obsession, but perhaps more of a case of “beating a dead horse”. … Apologies. I saw it as being #2 commented in 2011.

    Seattle Bubble is a great blog, with lot’s of interesting posts as you noted above. I’m bearish on the Seattle real estate market, think the bubble hasn’t completely burst, and that you made a mistake in purchasing in Everett – but that doesn’t mean I should take it out on you.

    I’ve gotten a lot of enjoyment out of reading the various blogs and posts over the last few years and I thank you for that. This is a great blog for taking the pulse of the Seattle real estate market.

    Best of luck to you in your career as a blogger and author! For what it’s worth, I would pick #2 and make sure and be able to have a bit of a laugh at yourself as well..

    All the best!

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  35. Plymster

    I’ve popped in and out of your blog for a few years now, and I have to say that the only thing that keeps me coming back is the analysis. For that reason, I think #3 is your best option. No one else has a concise guide to housing analysis out there. It should be required reading for appraisers, Realtors, and serious home-buyers.

    Simply put, with Option #3, you have the ability to write THE authoritative work on the subject of real-estate analysis. You could make it a snoozefest, but only if you abandon your wit and sense of humor, and leave out some of the real-world deceptive practices you’ve uncovered over the years.

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  36. David Losh

    RE: The Tim @ 34

    It’s the number of comments, and the exchanges of views, culminating with I think one of those kitten kickers defending himself.

    It’s kind of like the Bromies? an innocent post with a picture, and all of a sudden you are the center of a controversy.

    I’m going to say again that I find the internet a fascinating place, and you have gathered some of the most interesting characters, that seem to self regulate, more, or less.

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  37. kfhoz

    #2 sounds good to me!

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  38. xizor

    I vote for number two — a book about the bubble. Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it, or whatever the cliché is. Who best to chronicle the events and amuse us than The Tim, and you have practically written the book using your old columns.

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  39. Teo

    All three are good, but I think No. 3 will be the most helpful.
    Looking forward to it!

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  40. Winter

    I agree with mixing #2 and #3. I think a book with a focus on #3 using anecdotes from #2 would be a fun read on a topic very few have tried to cover.

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  41. Big Cough

    RE: One Eyed Man @ 14 – I like One Eyed’s idea–kind of like The Four-Hour Work Week, but without the arrogance and self-centeredness. My idea, though, would be a lesson for the general public, and public policy makers in particular, about how to understand and make proper use of house price data so that we can support housing growth that avoids sprawl and actually meets the needs of all types of households at all income levels, instead of bending over to builders and realtors who don’t know supply and demand from macaroni and cheese.

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  42. Steve Roth

    Just one note based on years of authoring/co-authoring/editing/producing/packaging nonfictions books, most in the how-to computer area but various other:

    We had a saying among my professional gang: “There’s no such thing as an easy book.” Writing book proposals is *so fun,* but actually writing the darn thing, getting all the zillion pieces in place, is a really, really big job. Every time.

    Also low odds of making much money. There are exceptions of course, and there can be ancillary benefits for career etc. But just to say.

    You should go talk to the Sasquatch folks. They did Jim Stacey’s book back in the day.

    http://www.sasquatchbooks.com/indexdown.htm

    I can get you an editor’s name if you want.

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  43. Matt

    I think the third option. I love what you do and read your blog near daily even though I live in Annapolis. There are just so many interesting places you can go from a data perspective with the third option.

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  44. Ward W

    #1 would be awesome! I would love a real estate guide focused on quantitative, value investing-style advice like the kind you give in your (fantastic!) blog. #3 seems like it would fit in well with the ideas in #1, perhaps in the later chapters of the book.

    Please write this book and I promise to buy one! :)

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