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Sell at a loss, or refinance and wait it out?

By The Tim on January 30th, 2009 at 9:14 AM · 167 Comments

Charts and graphs are all well and good, but once in a while it’s good to look at some of the more personal effects of the housing bubble. Today let’s take a look at a possible scenario that some hopeful home sellers today might be facing. Next Friday, we’ll turn our attention to home buyers. (Update: Make that Monday)

Let’s consider a hypothetical couple—we’ll call them Joe and Linda. The year is 2005, and the mid-20s pair buy a quaint little 2-bedroom, 1-bathroom, 1,100 square foot Victorian charmer in Snohomish for $245,000. A perfect home for the young family of two.

Not wanting to blow their entire savings on a down payment, they finance the home in the same way many others did during the bubble, with an 80/20 pair of loans. They sign up for a $196,000 30-year adjustable rate mortgage (fixed through 2010) and a $49,000 15-year second with a balloon payment in 2020. All together, their monthly principal plus interest payment comes in at around $1,400—an obligation they can afford on Joe’s professional salary.

For the past four years, they have been dutifully paying their mortgage on time every month, fixing up the house, and generally enjoying life. Of course, they knew that the days of a fixed $1,400 payment were numbered, but this is just a “starter home” anyway, and if for some reason they don’t move within five years, their loan officer assured them that it would be no problem to refinance.

Now it’s 2009, Joe and Linda are nearly 30, and with a young son, another on the way, and their fixed rate set to expire in just over a year, they a have naturally begun to think about moving up the “property ladder.” Unfortunately, that’s where the problems begin.

Joe and Linda start to look around at recent comparable sales in their neighborhood, and they realize that best case, they might be able to find a buyer that would pay $250,000 for their home. After agent fees and excise taxes, such a sale would leave them with about $228,000.

Since Joe and Linda still owe over $230,000 on their mortgages, they realize that selling their home will actually cost them a few thousand dollars—or more, if they can’t find a buyer at $250,000.

At this point, Joe and Linda could refinance into a new 30-year fixed-rate mortgage and wait for better times to try to sell, or they could bite the bullet, sell the home at a loss, and take their pick of a growing supply of two and three bedroom homes for rent in the general area for as little as $900 a month.

So what should they do? If I knew a couple like Joe and Linda, I would recommend they sit down together and decide whether they can be happy living in their home for another ten years.

If the answer is no, and if they can afford to, they should probably do whatever it takes to sell ASAP. Sure, they may have to come to the table with a few thousand dollars, but when they find a decent place to rent for a few years while the market continues to cool, they will easily make the money back in monthly savings, and they will avoid taking an even larger loss down the road.

If the answer is yes, then by all means, refinance into a nice safe fixed-rate loan and get comfortable. Thankfully, Joe’s job has not been in serious jeopardy, so getting a new loan should be relatively straightforward.

The reality of today’s housing market is that we are not going to see a quick rebound. Things are going to continue to get worse before they get better, and when we do finally hit the bottom, the market will likely languish there for some time. If you think “waiting the market out” means trying again in 2010, you are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise, especially for the more rural markets further away from the “job centers.”

So what advice would you give to Joe and Linda? What’s the most realistic and prudent way for a homeowner to make the best of a situation like this?

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Ever met someone who likes to play with live grenades? Here’s somebody: Agents Who Originate Loans

By S-Crow on January 26th, 2008 at 9:25 PM · 22 Comments

This is not really new news for many of you , but the story circulating around news organizations and blogs about a buyer who has filed suit against their agent mentions a twist. Aside from the main story is the “smaller” issue that the agent evidently also arranged the buyers financing. At least that is how I interpreted it, although I could be open for correction.

Agency (who is representing who in a purchase and sale transaction for those new to buying) is a tough thing to sort out for some consumers. In Washington State, agency law has gone through several variations and changes throughout the years.

But, when an agent is actually representing a buyer in a fiduciary capacity and then places their loan officer hat on, with no fiduciary duty as of today (could be changing), it makes for some potentially serious complications when things go sideways during a transaction.

Speaking solely for myself, if I were an agent, knowing what I know about the challenges they encounter, there is no way I would ever want to put myself, livelihood or assets at risk by playing a dual role.

I’ve never played with a live grenade before…..but, sheesh, acting as a buyer’s agent and arranging their financing is just not my recipe for fun. It’s exciting enough working in the escrow business thank you very much.

PS. If any of you have not had a chance yet this season to grab your boards out of the basement, do so, because the snow has been superb this season.

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Consumers wish list

By S-Crow on January 24th, 2008 at 8:48 PM · 154 Comments

The inspiration for this post is from the existing homeowners, prospective homeowners and allied real estate professionals that have corresponded with me and commented on this blog over months past to the present.

I’ve learned and received much more than I’ve provided on this blog I assure you, but the common theme I’ve come away with is that consumers want authentic advice and to trust the people who are assisting them with their real estate endeavors. They want value and to know how real estate professionals will earn their business. The following is what consumers want:

Dear Real Estate Professional,

  • I want to be treated like a partner, not a “lead” or a means to an end.
  • I want relevant information, fast and accurate.
  • I want to know why I shouldn’t buy a particular home and why I should.
  • If my objective is to build equity, I want solid advice based upon my ownership horizon.
  • I want to know exactly how my agent is being paid and by whom.
  • I want to know if my mortgage broker’s company or my agent’s brokerage firm has any financial interests in the referrals they give me for third party providers (mortgage, escrow, title, insurance, etc….). I want to know these disclosures at the start of our working relationship, not when I’m signing my loan or closing papers.
  • I want to know how my mortgage broker is being paid or if any of the associated fees are duplicate in nature or unnecessary.
  • I want my best financial and personal interests to be looked after in my transaction.
  • I want to know exactly what the market conditions are. I don’t want to learn about the market conditions from other sources after the fact……

…..Three factors caused this decade’s housing boom to spiral upwards: 1) a run-up in home price valuations that spurred a high sense of urgency in home buying and selling; 2) poor lending practices, which caused many homebuyers to secure loans that they ultimately couldn’t afford over the long term; and 3) speculative purchases of homes also increased, with buyers investing in real estate with the hope of a quick return-on-investment.

  • I want to know what the benefits and detriments are of entering into a multiple offer situation.
  • I want to trust you.
  • I want to know if there is an incentive of any kind, financial or other benefit, from a seller to you (my agent) and how it impacts me.
  • I want my agent to be responsive, authentic and collaborative with everyone in my transaction.
  • I want to work with a professional.
  • I want you to anticipate potential problems before they occur, not react to them as they are upon us.
  • I don’t want to receive my loan documents to sign at the very last possible moment.
  • I don’t want to pay for inexperience at the same rate as I do for an experienced professional.

Comment Add on’s:

  • I would like choices in the service levels I would like to receive/purchase.

If you do this you for me you will have my business for life and I won’t have to go here when I decide to sell, buy or refinance again.

Sincerely,

Consumer

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Looking under the hood: How to save yourself aggravation and money when refinancing or purchasing.

By S-Crow on January 14th, 2008 at 8:16 PM · 33 Comments

Our fellow blogger colleague “Peckhammer” will get credit for this post whether Peckhammer intended for that to happen or not. Hat tip to him/her for inspiring this post.

Regarding consumers capacity to understand loan documents, Peckhammer remarked :

“The loan documents they signed could have been reviewed by an attorney and explained if there were questions.”

Here’s the problem when looking under the hood at the transaction work flow. May I present you the true world of real estate and high finance:

The facts

  • It is Friday, January 11th, at 4:00 pm, about 1hour prior to the escrow office closing.
  • Escrow has been promised loan documents on a transaction since early in the week.
  • By law, borrowers refinancing have a three day right of rescission (meaning 3 days, not including holidays or Sundays) after signing loan documents to cancel prior to closing.
  • The wrinkle: loan documents can be time sensitive. For example, if you are refinancing, you may have an interest rate lock (a term used in the industry where a borrower is guaranteed a specific loan interest rate for a specific loan program) that may expire very soon. Therefore, the loan documents must be signed within the 3 day rescission period and the transaction must close prior to the interest rate lock expiring.
  • Escrow receives loan documents at 4:30pm. What in the world?!…..says escrow staff.
  • Escrow is “expected” to drop all other transaction work (escrow is very time stressed due to a lot of other things going on “under the hood” for other people) and work up the loan documents, prepare a settlement statement (HUD-1 Form for those unfamiliar which is a detailed itemization of fees and credits associated with the transaction) and schedule the clients to sign their paperwork.
  • Are the clients at work? Have an evening planned? Guess who gets to call the clients with the urgent message which will more than likely put the borrowers into a, how shall I say, grumpy mood. And yes, it’s escrow’s fault; after all, escrow just pays the water bills (sacrcasm & humor on).
  • To escrow, this is a frequent and absurd scenario that plays out all too commonly.

How does it impact you as a borrower?

  • It is inconvenient as !#!*%!! for the borrower to be called at 5:30pm on a Friday to tell the borrower they MUST sign their loan docs or…. dominoes start falling.
  • Or, worse, if this is a purchase, you have the pressure of signing because this little thing called losing earnest money is eating you up in the back of your mind, never mind the fact your belongings are in boxes and the seller is nearly moved out, and your newborn child has started crying in the office where you are trying to sign loan papers.
  • Call an attorney to review your loan documents? Not going to happen.
  • How can you have time to digest the loan docs when the only time you’ve seen them is when I show up with them? Remember, escrow tells you the facts, we don’t dispense legal advice or advice about how the loan will impact you financially.
  • Thankfully, in a refinance transaction you have a 3-day right of rescission. For purchases, you get NOTHING. Zippo.

Solution?

  • Enforce RESPA (Real Estate Settlement & Procedures Act) to include a provision for a borrower to receive loan documents 3-5 full business days prior to closing when PURCHASING. If they don’t, fine the lender. Currently, as it stands, borrowers are required to have 24hrs review of their Settlement Statement (HUD -1 Form) prior to closing. That’s a joke IMHO. In Washington State, generally, closing occurs when funds are available for disbursement and recording of documents (Deed of Trust, Statutory Warranty Deed) have been completed.
  • Ask your loan officer that you would like a full week prior to closing to review loan documents and your Settlement Statement. This puts the transaction management squarely where it should be, on the “Conductor of your Orchestra:” loan officer and or agent. If the loan officer waffles at getting loan documents to escrow to prepare for you well before closing you should ask them, why not?
  • Also, never forget to go shopping, even for third party providers such as escrow.

Is this scenario based upon a real transaction (s) ?

True or False. I’ll give you a hint. It starts with a “T.”

S-Crow

PS. I’ve seen rates today at 5.375% for a 30 yr fixed.

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Hedging Real Estate

By S-Crow on January 9th, 2008 at 8:51 PM · 63 Comments

This has been on my mind for a while: Two ways to hedge against or reduce the potential for problems in a tough market, today and for the future.

#1) Buy something that you can improve.

Not a disaster, but a home that is priced right for the condition of the home.

If you are a do-it-yourselfer, have some home improvement skills and don’t necessarily mind some effort and sore muscles, locate a home that may need some improving.

Benefits of improving a home:

  • saving tens of thousands of dollars over time
  • gaining more skills
  • obtaining pride of ownership
  • realizing sweat equity
  • making improvements that suit your style and tastes

Challenges:

  • dedicating enough time to do it right (been there)
  • costly mistakes (been there)
  • poor budgeting & planning (no comment)
  • marital tension (been there, been there again, and will in the future).
  • it costs more than you think (can’t discuss this on a public blog due to potential for more marital fireworks, please forgive).
  • throwing in the towel and hiring contractors (never done this, but have threatened so by yelling curses out towards the sky or at snickering neighbors peering through their kitchen window as I work in the mud and rain; cursing particularly after nearly cutting off my left forefinger and middle finger (Dr. said very important to save that finger for I-5 freeway discussions with other motorists). Note to self: place blade onto drywall, not human flesh. Props to Swedish Med. Ctr. in Ballard. I digress.)

The advantages of sweat equity really do outweigh the challenges. Patience and perseverance will pay off.

#2) Buy the right location with the end game in mind (ie, life happens, so you may have to move).

Because housing is not necessarily a quick sale, as many are finding today, it is important to never lose “location” in the midst of your search.

Although location has been an cliche for so long, it really has lasted the test of time. Location means a lot of different things to people. It could mean reasonably close to employment, school or school district. Perhaps you prefer a newer development.

So, when the time is right for you to buy your first home or move up to a home that meets your needs today, then don’t be afraid of being patient enough to find the right house in the right location and getting your hands a little dirty. It can pay off handsomely and may put you in the drivers seat through market ups and downs.

Bonus: #3) Invest in Case-Shiller Index Hedge Fund

Bonus #4) Rent

-S-Crow

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A Tip for Current Home Sellers

By The Tim on December 21st, 2007 at 8:03 AM · 84 Comments

Here’s a great video by a real estate agent over in Virginia that lays out the plain and simple truth to home sellers in today’s market:

And if the video wasn’t entertaining enough for you, check out some of the reaction among other blogging real estate agents around the country. Most of the agents in the various blog comment exchanges reacted positively to the video, but there were some exceptions…

Phoenix agent Greg Swann calls the video “pandering and condescending, insulting to consumers.” Really Greg? I would consider it pandering to tell a customer: “Oh, this home is so fabulous! I’m sure you’ll get top dollar. Don’t worry about declining prices in the comps, this house is special.” This video seems to me to be exactly the opposite of pandering.

Former Mortgage Broker Todd Carpenter says “I think the video is terrible” and calls it “selfish advice.” I can somewhat see the selfish point, since as an agent volume is more important than price. But “terrible”? Really?

Chicago Realtor Ken Smith declares that “this video alone would guarantee I would never use your services if shown to me.”

I find it quite amusing that such a simple concept can be so appalling to some people “in the business.” As an industry outsider and some-day home buyer, I find straightforward, honest content like this to be refreshing. If I was considering using an agent to sell a home and was shown this video, I would think “how nice that they are willing to be honest with me,” not “I love it when salespeople treat me like a moron.,” which is what Mr. Swann thinks “consumers” would say.

Hat tip: Dustin Luther’s (of RCG fame) shared Google Reader feed.

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