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Weekend News Roundup

By The Tim on December 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 AM · 59 Comments

Here are a few local real estate stories to kick off this snowy Christmas week.

Aubrey Cohen, Seattle P-I: It’s refi — not buy — in Seattle’s housing market

Unusually low interest rates have spurred a run of mortgage refinancings in the Seattle area, but not necessarily more home purchases.

Andrew Gledhill, an associate economist at Moody’s Economy.com, said low rates were not enough to turn around the housing market or the wider economy.

The economic downturn has become increasingly global, affecting Seattle-area core industries such as software and aerospace, Gledhill said. Moody’s now expects Seattle-area home prices to decline just over 20 percent from the peak in the summer of 2007 to a low point by the end of next year.

After that, it will probably take until about 2014 for prices to get back to their 2007 level, he said. “It’s going to take several years for this to work itself out.”

Steve Tytler, Everett Herald: Can’t sell it? Tips on how to rent it

A lot of would-be home sellers are now finding themselves reluctantly becoming landlords in this slow housing market…

Rolf Boone, The Olympian: Foreclosures hit Northwest homes, business

Mortgage foreclosures in Thurston County increased more than 50 percent in 2008 compared with 2007, an indication the slowing economy is contributing to this growing problem, newly compiled data show.

Notice of trustee’s sales filed with the Thurston County Auditor’s office rose to 1,010 through Dec. 19, up from 662 in 2007.

Read any interesting stories this weekend in the real estate world? Share them here.

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“Turmoil,” “Fear,” & “Uncertainty” Bursting Seattle’s Bubble

By The Tim on September 30th, 2008 at 5:49 PM · 45 Comments

The P-I ran an interesting little article by Aubrey Cohen today: Turmoil rattles local real estate market

The recent nationwide economic turmoil appears to have intensified already prevalent skittishness among buyers and lenders — and helped persuade sellers to get real.

The turmoil has increased the fear of buying now, only to see prices fall even more later, said Ryan Thompson, an agent in John L. Scott Real Estate’s Seattle Center office. “The other end of the fear is a lot of people are uncertain about their own jobs, their own income.”

Buyers also are asking more questions and are less willing to make snap buying decisions, said Melinda Eley, marketing manager for builder Polygon Northwest.

It’s disturbing to me that buyers asking questions and avoiding snap decisions is seen as a negative, and a sign of a lousy market.

Matthew Gardner, a local land-use economist who works with developers, said the economy in general, including the housing market, has come to a grinding halt.

“Banks aren’t lending banks money right now, so they sure as heck aren’t lending to anyone else,” he said. “The effect is paralyzing.”

Sounds like a bit of a different tune than Mr. Gardner was singing in July last year:

“It’s not happening in Seattle to any degree whatsoever,” local land-use economist Matthew Gardner said Wednesday. “We’re not really seeing any fallouts.”

Also amusing to me in today’s article is that Mr. Cohen calls out Moody’s for their consistently overly optimistic predictions:

Moody’s latest forecast is for Seattle-area prices to fall 17 percent from last summer’s peak, with the bottom coming around the end of next year.

The company probably will revise that to a bigger drop, based on the national situation, in coming weeks, Gledhill said.

He acknowledged that most economists, including those at Moody’s, consistently have underestimated the length and depth of the housing market’s swoon.

“For most economists’ lifespan this is unprecedented. We really haven’t seen this before and it’s been driven by different events than what we’re used to,” he said. “It’s probably also somewhat just optimism.”

No kidding. Note that even as recently as last October, Moody’s was predicting that Seattle home prices would increase 3% in 2008.

If the ever-rosy Moody’s is saying we’re in for a total 17% drop with a bottom in late 2009, a pretty good guess would be that the bottom will probably not come until 2010 or 2011 at the earliest, with a minimum 25% drop.

Also of interest is the general sentiment being expressed by commenters in the P-I’s “Sound Off” to the article. Even just a few months ago, any real estate article in the P-I was littered with pink pony supporters piping in to say that the bottom is in and Seattle real estate is bound to head back up any day now. Now it seems that such comments have become virtually extinct.

Perhaps reality is finally sinking in.

(Aubrey Cohen, Seattle P-I, 09.29.2008)

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Fortune: Price-to-Rent Correction Forecasting

By The Tim on November 5th, 2007 at 12:57 PM · 12 Comments

Over at the Baltimore Housing Bubble blog, site contributor Kevin has an interesting post up about a recent article in Fortune Magazine.

This months edition of Fortune Magazine (November 12, 2007) had a great article on housing called How Low Can They Go? by Shawn Tully (no online link available yet, but I’ll modify post once it is). It combined extensive analysis of 54 metro housing markets with the combined work of Moody’s Economy.com, Fortune Analysts, PPR, & NAR. The basis of the article was to provide a snapshot of what the future of housing will look like in 5 years from June 2007. They determined a correction value (sometimes positive) by comparing present day price to rent ratios with the average of the past 15 years.

The post includes a link to an Excel spreadsheet that allows you to play around with the numbers for each of the 54 metro areas. According to the analysis, the Seattle area’s present price to rent ratio is around 36, while the 15-year average is 23. In the hypothetical 5-year correction described by Fortune, home prices would decline by roughly 20%, while rents increase approximately 19% (neither of those percentages account for inflation).

It’s a pretty interesting tool. I’m still inherently skeptical of “analysis” done by Moody’s Economy.com, but it’s interesting to play around with the spreadsheet nonetheless.

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