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King County Home Prices & Affordability 1950-2009 Q1

By The Tim on May 20th, 2009 at 5:00 AM · 85 Comments

A reader pointed out that I had not provided an updated chart of the long-term (50+ year) trend of local home prices since I originally posted my research in February 2008. So, here’s an updated look at the long-term trends in local home prices and affordability:

King County Median Home Prices: 1946-2009

So much for Steve Tytler’s famous “stair step” theory (which he was still espousing as recently as July 2008).

Note that in the above chart, each data point represents a 6-month average, and in the chart below, each represents a 12-month average. For 2009 we are using the 4-month average of January – April.

King County Affordability Index

I’d love to provide you with a more substantive post today, but I’m taking my birthday off (this post was pre-written last night). See you tomorrow.

Sources:
(1946-1992 Home Prices: Seattle Real Estate Research Report)
(1993-2009 Home Prices: NWMLS)
(Misc. Price Data: Seattle Times)
(Inflation Data: Bureau of Labor StatisticsConsumer Price Index)

(Household Income: US Census Bureau)
(1950-1970 Interest Rates: Financial Forecast Center)
(1971-2009 Interest Rates: Federal Reserve)

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Predictions: 2008 in the Bag, 2009 on the Horizon

By The Tim on January 9th, 2009 at 11:30 AM · 52 Comments

Looking back at 2008
And now it’s the post we’ve all been waiting for (and by “we” I mean probably just me). Time to see which real estate “professionals” made housing market predictions that match closest with reality, which ones were more in line with the former Iraqi Information Minister, and what they’re all guessing for the coming year.

A year ago we rounded up 2008’s predictions into a single post: Predictions: 2007 Revisited, 2008 Prognosticated. As with last year, I’ll provide a list of the contenders, and a handly table for comparing our predictions with the reality of 2008. You can go back to the post to see the full context of all of the predictions.

The Contenders:

  • Glenn Crellin, director of the Washington Center for Real Estate Research
  • Matthew Gardner, local land-use economist
  • Steve Tytler, Everett Herald Real Estate Columnist / owner, Best Mortgage
  • Dick Conway, co-author of The Puget Sound Economic Forecaster / local economist
  • Tim Ellis, editor-in-chief, Seattle Bubble
  Crellin Gardner Tytler Conway Ellis King Co. SFH
Prices:  “a little” -5% to 0% -20% to -10% <1% -10% to -5% -7.24%

This year, the prize for the prediction closest to reality goes to… defending champion Tim Ellis of Seattle Bubble! Yet again, the total price change fell almost exactly in the middle of my range prediction.

To be fair, we are using King County SFH data as our sample set (as is standard practice on this site), while selecting different data sets makes some of the other predictions look better. For example, Steve Tytler forecast a ten to twenty percent drop for “the Puget Sound region.” If we look at all Puget Sound counties, the smallest drop was in Skagit, where prices fell 3.3%, and the largest drop was in Jefferson, where prices took a 23.6% plunge. However, that still leaves three counties (Skagit, King, and Jefferson) that were outside Steve’s range (four if we count San Juan County, where December’s median was down 45.6% from 2007, but based on just 9 sales).

On inventory, I predicted “year-over-year increases between 10% and 25% throughout much of the year.” Year-over-year inventory increases did not drop below 10% until September, so that looks like another win. My prediction on sales volume was arguably too optimistic, as I guessed they would drop “at least 5% to 15%.” Here in King County, total pending sales for the year were down 25%, while closed sales dropped 33%.

What’s ahead for 2009?
With 2008 out of the way, let’s look forward to 2009. Here’s a summary of all the predictions I was able to locate from local “professionals.”

Matthew Gardner:

Going forward, Gardner says, “we’ll be in a V-shaped year on prices.”

“The first half of the year we’ll continue to see declines,” he says. “The second half of the year we’ll start seeing a bit of an upward trend.”

In all, Gardner says, he wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle-area housing prices remain essentially flat — something that would actually be good news in some parts of the country.

Gardner qualifies his prediction in his quotes to the P-I:

Matthew Gardner, a Seattle land-use economist, said he expects prices to level off next summer, “if we see economic stimulus and further retraction in interest rates.”

Steve Tytler:

There is a fairly predictable 7- to 10-year real estate cycle and we are in the “down” part of that cycle. What makes the current cycle different is that we are entering what may turn out to be the worst national recession since the Great Depression. Now, I know that phrase is grossly overused. It seems that every few years some politician claims that the economy is the worst since the Great Depression, but this time I think it’s actually true.

I think that overall home prices will fall an average of 5 to 10 percent next year, but the depreciation rate will vary dramatically from city to city and neighborhood to neighborhood, just as we’ve seen wide variations this year.

J. Lennox Scott:

Scott thinks entry-level house prices (basically $500,000 and under in Seattle) have stabilized, so there may be no advantage to waiting.

In the mid- and upper-price ranges, “some people are waiting to see what’s happening,” Scott says, but even if those prices continue to decline, owners who sell at a reduced price also are likely to buy at a reduced price, so it’s a wash.

Looking forward, he is hopeful that the Obama administration will quickly pass a stimulus plan that will give the economy, and home sales, a boost.

More from Scott in a blog post by Aubrey Cohen:

But 2009 will be a year of “new beginnings,” Scott said. “It will also be a year of transition for the housing market, which will begin rebuilding itself starting with the more affordable price ranges.”

Unfortunately, those are the only firm predictions I could find from local “professionals.” Maybe they’re just trying to save themselves the embarrassment of being wrong yet again.

The Tim’s Predictions
My guess is that inventory in 2009 will be flat to slightly down from 2008 for most of the year. I am betting that the double-digit YOY drops in sales will not last beyond the first or second quarter, but will eventually flatten out and maybe even show YOY gains. My sales prediction is based largely on an assumption that home prices will continue to fall as well, eventually coming down to a level that is able to attract more buyers. This is what has happened in California over the last year, and I expect the trend will eventually make its way up north.

As far as a specific prediction on prices, my guess is about another 10 percent drop in 2009, which would put December 2009’s median at $363,150. My guess is that we may hit the end of the big price drops in 2010, then bob along on the bottom for a few years after that.

So there it is, your regularly scheduled doom and gloom. As always, what really happens is going to depend largely on a plethora of external factors that could go either way. Despite what so many people tried so hard to believe during the boom, Seattle is not encased in a giant glass bubble. Will Obama come riding in on a unicorn and magically save the economy? Will Boeing or Microsoft lay off tens of thousands? Does China decide to call their debts to America? Major issues like these will have big effects on our housing markets in 2009, and I’m sure whatever happens, we’ll be looking back a year from now in amazement.

What are your predictions? Let’s hammer this out in the comments. Also, here’s a poll:

What's your King County SFH median price prediction for 2009?

  • Less than -20% (5%, 31 Votes)
  • -20% to -15.1% (17%, 101 Votes)
  • -15% to -10.1% (39%, 235 Votes)
  • -10% to -5.1% (26%, 156 Votes)
  • -5% to 0% (8%, 48 Votes)
  • 0% to +5% (2%, 14 Votes)
  • +5.1% to +10% (0%, 2 Votes)
  • More than +10% (3%, 9 Votes)

Total Voters: 596

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Weekend News Roundup

By The Tim on December 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 AM · 59 Comments

Here are a few local real estate stories to kick off this snowy Christmas week.

Aubrey Cohen, Seattle P-I: It’s refi — not buy — in Seattle’s housing market

Unusually low interest rates have spurred a run of mortgage refinancings in the Seattle area, but not necessarily more home purchases.

Andrew Gledhill, an associate economist at Moody’s Economy.com, said low rates were not enough to turn around the housing market or the wider economy.

The economic downturn has become increasingly global, affecting Seattle-area core industries such as software and aerospace, Gledhill said. Moody’s now expects Seattle-area home prices to decline just over 20 percent from the peak in the summer of 2007 to a low point by the end of next year.

After that, it will probably take until about 2014 for prices to get back to their 2007 level, he said. “It’s going to take several years for this to work itself out.”

Steve Tytler, Everett Herald: Can’t sell it? Tips on how to rent it

A lot of would-be home sellers are now finding themselves reluctantly becoming landlords in this slow housing market…

Rolf Boone, The Olympian: Foreclosures hit Northwest homes, business

Mortgage foreclosures in Thurston County increased more than 50 percent in 2008 compared with 2007, an indication the slowing economy is contributing to this growing problem, newly compiled data show.

Notice of trustee’s sales filed with the Thurston County Auditor’s office rose to 1,010 through Dec. 19, up from 662 in 2007.

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King County Home Prices: 1946-2007

By The Tim on February 19th, 2008 at 11:33 AM · 58 Comments

A while back (September 2006, to be more precise) the Seattle Times published a 22-year “analysis” of King County home prices, which essentially came to the conclusion that Seattle would be immune to the home price drops that were beginning to occur elsewhere around the country. Their graph of local home prices going back to 1984 was interesting, but I was frustrated by two things. First, that it was not adjusted for inflation, and second that it did not go back further.

A while later, I had a lengthy email conversation with local mortgage company owner Steve Tytler, in which he made the following claim:

Home prices in the Seattle area follow a very predictable pattern: 2-3 years of rapid appreciation followed by 4-5 years of virtually no appreciation. I call it a “stair step” pattern. Prices jump up, flatten out, jump up again, flat out, and so on. You will never see a major housing price crash here.

I wanted to do the research to find out whether or not Mr. Tytler’s claims hold water, and to improve upon the Seattle Times graph, but with reliable home price data from the NWMLS only going back to 1993, I was in a bit of a jam.

Thankfully, Mr. Tytler pointed me toward a source of home price information that goes further back than the available NWMLS reports we have previously relied on at Seattle Bubble. The Central Puget Sound Real Estate Research Report (originally known as the Seattle Real Estate Research Report) has been publishing local housing market information every six months since 1946. After doing some digging I discovered that the UW Special Collections has a complete set of the reports going all the way back to the beginning.

So, after more than a few Friday afternoons spent at the UW pouring through the old reports and hours spent merging the old data with the modern NWMLS data and adjusting for inflation, I have come up with the following graph. The red line shows inflation-adjusted median single-family home prices (in 2007 dollars) from 1946 through 2007. The gradient area depicts the year-over-year change in home prices.

King County Median Home Prices: 1946-2007
Click to enlarge

Looking at home price data this far back shows us a few interesting things. The first thing that jumps out at me is how flat the graph is from 1946 through about 1969. It would seem that as far as home prices are concerned, the early to mid 1970s was when Seattle made the transition from small town to real city. As such, I don’t think we can really gain any useful information from looking at home price patterns pre-1970.

The second thing I notice is that from 1969 to the present there have been three periods where prices have declined for more than a year:

  • 1969-1975 (6 years) – Total Drop: 21%
  • 1979-1985 (6 years) – Total Drop: 20%
  • 1990-1992 (2 years) – Total Drop: 5%

In fact, if you look at the graph from 1968 to 2000, it actually seems to support Steve Tytler’s “stair step” theory. The only problem is that there’s a spike from 1997 to 2000 that—if the stair-step pattern were to continue—should have been followed by 7-9 years of declining and/or flat prices. Instead, after a very short breather, prices only begin to skyrocket even further up.

Let’s look at the three “steps” from 1968 to 1997.

Step 1:
Jump: Fall ‘68 to Spring ‘69 – 11% in 6 months
Drop: Spring ‘69 to Spring ‘75 – -21% in 6 years
Peak to start of next big run-up: 7.5 years

Step 2:
Jump: Fall ‘76 to Spring ‘79 – 71% in 2.5 years
Drop: Spring ‘79 to Fall ‘85 – -20% in 6.5 years
Peak to start of next big run-up: 9.5 years

Step 3:
Jump: Fall ‘88 to Fall ‘90 – 41% in 2 years
Drop: Fall ‘90 to Fall ‘92 – -5% in 2 years
Peak to start of next big run-up: 6.5 years

So we’re looking at an average run-up of around 2 years, followed by a dropping/flat period of about 7.5 years. Now look at the present “step.”

Step 4?
Jump: Spring ‘97 to Spring ‘07 – 93% in 10 years

So, the current run-up has basically lasted five times as long as any previous spike in King County. All other factors being equal (which of course they aren’t), one could logically conclude that the upcoming period of dropping or flat prices will also last five times as long as previous steps, meaning we would be looking at 32-48 years of flat prices on the horizon.

Do I really think we’re facing 30+ years of flat prices? Probably not. Notice that previous year-over-year price declines have never exceeded 5% for more than a year and a half. We could easily correct for this extra-long run-up by having just 3-5 years of price declines in the 5-15% range, sparing us the 35-year stagnation. Personally I think that’s a lot more likely. In any case, I’m just presenting you with the facts. You decide how you want to interpret them.

Sources:
(1946-1992 Home Prices: Seattle Real Estate Research Report)
(1993-2007 Home Prices: NWMLS)
(Misc. Price Data: Seattle Times)
(Inflation Data: Bureau of Labor StatisticsConsumer Price Index)

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Predictions: 2007 Revisited, 2008 Prognosticated

By The Tim on January 17th, 2008 at 7:00 PM · 186 Comments

2007 Revisited
It’s that time of the year again. As the calendar rolls over, the real estate predictions start rolling in. But before we get to the predictions for 2008, let’s look back at 2007.

My own guesses as well as predictions from most of the frequently-quoted local real estate insiders were covered in this post from last January, save for Steve Tytler, whose predictions are covered here. Let’s see how we all did.

The Contenders:

  • Bill Riss, chief executive of Coldwell Banker Bain
  • Randy Bannecker, consultant housing specialist for the Seattle-King County Association of Realtors
  • Glenn Crellin, director of the Washington Center for Real Estate Research
  • Matthew Gardner, local land-use economist
  • Steve Tytler, owner, Best Mortgage
  • Tim Ellis, editor-in-chief, Seattle Bubble

You can go back to the post to see the full context of all of our predictions. However, for this post, I have condensed everyone’s predictions into a convenient table format for your convenience:

  Riss Bannecker Crellin Gardner Tytler Ellis King Co. SFH
Listings: - - - - >0% >15% +51%
Sales: 0% - <0% <0% <0% <-5 to -10% -14.5%
Prices: +10% +6 to 10% +3 to 5% +5 to 9% <=0% -5% to +3% -1.14%

And the person whose predictions most closely matched the 2007 outcome was… Tim Ellis of Seattle Bubble! Steve Tytler gets the honor of being the only other person to be at all accurate, with his generic prediction of a “big increase” in inventory and a general reduction of buyers.

Note that the final reported median price change was almost exactly in the middle of my estimated range of -5% to +3%. And although my inventory and sales forecasts were the closest of the bunch, reality was unbelievably even more extreme than my predictions. So I either got pretty darn lucky, or after one year of following the market in my spare time, I had a better sense of where it was headed than the majority of those whose very livelihood is the market.

2008 Prognosticated
So that brings us to the 2008 forecast. First up, let’s check out what some of the same local real estate insiders are guessing this year:

Glenn Crellin:

Year-to-year drops should continue “for a little while,” said Glenn Crellin, director of the Washington Center for Real Estate Research at Washington State University. “I think that the next several months are still going to be challenging, but it’s a little hard to tell,” he said, adding that he also expects interest rates to increase during most of the year, potentially wiping out any savings gained by waiting.

Glenn also made some more specific predictions for the Pierce County market in a Q&A with the Tacoma News Tribune.

Matthew Gardner:

For 2008, Gardner is predicting anywhere from zero appreciation to home prices falling as much as 5 percent. “Do I think we’re going to see pain next year? Yes, I do. If there’s some glimmer of hope, it’s the fact we didn’t get terribly overbuilt because of the expense of land,” Gardner says.

Steve Tytler:

I expect home prices to drop about 10 percent to 20 percent over the next year or so, and then the housing market will flatten out with very little appreciation or depreciation for a few years.

Dick Conway:

Conway anticipates average Puget Sound-region home prices will decline less than 1 percent next year, and sales will be down about 5 percent, before rebounding in 2008. “Given that we had a pretty good run-up in prices, some downward adjustment shouldn’t be surprising,” he says.

It would appear that after being so off base with last year’s optimistic forecasts, most of this year’s predictions are a bit more down to earth. The general concensus seems to be price declines of up to five percent. As with last year, Mr. Tytler is the most bearish of the bunch, and will probably be the most accurate as well.

The Tim’s Predictions
Personally, I’m expecting to see a continued surge in inventory, with year-over-year increases between 10% and 25% throughout much of the year. As prices stagnate and drop, the number of “must-sell” homes will only increase. Furthermore, when public sentiment shifts from “buy now or be priced out forever” to “sell now or be stuck there forever,” listings will continue to increase further.

Sales will probably continue their slide as lending standards continue to tighten (regardless of which direction interest rates go). I would guess that sales will be down at least 5% to 15%. Think of it this way: The record sales that we saw in 2005 and 2006 were basically just the housing market borrowing sales from the future. Well, the future is here, and the debt must be repaid.

I do not expect prices to drop like a rock, but I think that 5% is the minimum drop we’ll see in the median, not the maximum. I’d put the range at -5% to -10%.

So there you have it. Your doom and gloom for 2008. I may be way off base, but at least I’m willing to stick my neck out there and give it a guess. I have yet to see any signs that the market is “bottoming out” or at any kind of turning point. 2007 was the turning point, and we’re pretty plainly headed down into 2008. I don’t expect this mess to work itself out before the year is out.

What say you, the readers?

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Weekend Local News Roundup

By The Tim on December 17th, 2007 at 11:14 AM · 87 Comments

Here’s a roundup of some local real estate stories that came out this weekend.

It’s interesting how much the general tone of news articles have changed in just the last six months. I think the local consciousness is finally starting to realize that Seattle may not be magically immune to the housing bust after all.

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