Weekly Open Thread (2013-08-19)

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About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.

60 comments:

  1. 1
    Blurtman says:

    There has never been a better time to buy!

    Pending: $640,000

    Last Sold:May 2007 for $860,000

    >$250K haircut?

    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/119-210th-Pl-NE-Sammamish-WA-98074/70578185_zpid/

  2. 2
    pfft says:

    Worthy of another post.

    How Testicular Cancer Convinced A Former Republican Staffer To Leave His Party
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/08/18/2485391/testicular-cancer-obamacare-murphy/

    If you get testicular cancer at 25 you will ALWAYS have a pre-existing condition according to health insurers. The only way you’ll get insurance is through your job for the rest of your life. Or until you are eligible for medicare or medicaid. Even through your job the law is written so that your employer’s plan has to cover pre-existing conditions or your employer won’t get certain benefits.

    Obamacare will do a tremendous amount of good.

  3. 3
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ 1:

    There has never been a better time to buy!

    Pending: $640,000

    Last Sold:May 2007 for $860,000

    >$250K haircut?

    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/119-210th-Pl-NE-Sammamish-WA-98074/70578185_zpid/

    are you complaining that home prices are lower or are you making funny of circa 2007 realtors?

  4. 4
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ 3 – Merely illustrating a RE purchase gone bad.

  5. 5
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 4 – It is a RE purchase gone bad, but I think it is also a home style gone bad. The mini-mansion will be mocked by generations to come. People are now ‘remembering’ that you can raise a family of four in a 2000 square foot home with no trouble. All 4000 square feet does is increase your attack surface for property taxes, energy costs, and maintenance costs. Smaller, well designed homes with ample storage is the direction we are moving.

  6. 6
    redmondjp says:

    By wreckingbull @ 5:

    RE: Blurtman @ 4 – It is a RE purchase gone bad, but I think it is also a home style gone bad. The mini-mansion will be mocked by generations to come. People are now ‘remembering’ that you can raise a family of four in a 2000 square foot home with no trouble. All 4000 square feet does is increase your attack surface for property taxes, energy costs, and maintenance costs. Smaller, well designed homes with ample storage is the direction we are moving.

    Correct, but these McMansions work out great for housing three generations of our newest Eastside residents. And despite their size, the modern houses are incredibly energy efficient. I pay far more in utility costs for my 1977-built 1400sf rambler than my friends do for their much newer 2800sf three-story house.

  7. 7
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: redmondjp @ 6 – Actually that is an excellent point. Demographic changes may help soak up some of these. Where it really gets cool is that if you built a 1400 square foot home today, with a little up-front cost and foresight, you could be living in a zero-energy home.

  8. 8
    pfft says:

    According to CNBC Eric Holder may finally be prosecuting wall st for the financial crisis.

  9. 9
    Blurtman says:

    Another bubble buyer trying to exit with something. Zillow says you are over $100,000 in a hole.

    For Sale: $630,000Price Cut (Aug 21): -$35,000

    Zestimate®: $491,657

    Last Sold:Jun 2007 for $590,000 (Ouch!)

    http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/23856-SE-30th-St-Sammamish-WA-98075/48700783_zpid/?z&utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=emo-savedsearch-address

  10. 10
  11. 11
    Erik says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 9
    These kinds of stories are sad. I imagine that this person subscribed to all of the stuff he or she heard about saving your money for years and putting down a large down payment. Now they are trying to recoup their costs.

    That seems to be the same logic that many people on here follow. The people that paid the minimum got up to 5 years of free rent and walked away. This is a prime example of why I would never tell anyone to make a large down payment unless I really disliked them.

  12. 12
    pfft says:

    By pfft @ 2:

    Worthy of another post.

    How Testicular Cancer Convinced A Former Republican Staffer To Leave His Party
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/08/18/2485391/testicular-cancer-obamacare-murphy/

    If you get testicular cancer at 25 you will ALWAYS have a pre-existing condition according to health insurers. The only way you’ll get insurance is through your job for the rest of your life. Or until you are eligible for medicare or medicaid. Even through your job the law is written so that your employer’s plan has to cover pre-existing conditions or your employer won’t get certain benefits.

    Obamacare will do a tremendous amount of good.

    where are all the Obamacare haters? not a peep?

  13. 13
    UrbanDweller says:

    RE: pfft @ 12 – Everyone is too busy working 2 or 3 part time jobs to make ends meet.

  14. 14
    pfft says:

    By UrbanDweller @ 13:

    RE: pfft @ 12 – Everyone is too busy working 2 or 3 part time jobs to make ends meet.

    so nothing?

  15. 15
    Blurtman says:

    I am particularly pleased that in the latest meeting, the FOMC acknowledged the crappy labor force participation rate. The Fed however, is targeting a certain unemployent rate in their tapering calculations. I suggest that they target a certain labor force participation rate as well. Imagine if everyone ceased looking for work because there were no jobs. The unemployment rate would be close to zero, but the labor force particiaption rate would be horrendous.

    “However, other measures of labor utilization–including the labor force participation rate and the numbers of discouraged workers and those working part time for economic reasons–suggested more modest improvement, and other indicators of labor demand, such as rates of hiring and quits, remained low.”

    Read more at http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2013/08/fomc-minutes-almost-all-committee.html#tuxxs0CLS5oPjYap.99

  16. 16
    Blurtman says:

    There goes my kill the bansters defense.

    Psychedelic Drugs No Risk to Mental Health, Possibly Beneficial

    Using classic psychedelic drugs does not raise the risk for mental health problems; on the contrary, it may offer some protection, new research suggests.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/809724

  17. 17

    RE: Blurtman @ 16
    You want to kill the bankers not because you are insane, but because you are sane.

    Too bad the link didn’t work. Years ago I’d known a few people who had done a lot of LSD. I couldn’t say whether the LSD contributed to their mental health problems or not, but I will suggest that their long term LSD usage did not seem to enhance their communication skills.

  18. 18
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 17 – “Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life. LSD shows you that there’s another side to the coin, and you can’t remember it when it wears off, but you know it. It reinforced my sense of what was important—creating great things instead of making money, putting things back into the stream of history and of human consciousness as much as I could.” – Steve Jobs
    ****************
    Dr. Krebs noted that “psychedelics interact with a specific type of serotonin receptor in the brain and may stimulate the formation of new connections and patterns. They generally seem to open an individual to an awareness of new perspectives and opportunities for action. People often report deeply personally and spiritually meaningful experiences with psychedelics,” she said.

  19. 19
    Erik says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 18
    Living in North Everett for 6 years has scared me away from drug use. If you want to see some serious mental health problems from drugs, drive up Hewitt and down broadway. You can see what happened to those people that thought drugs were a good time.

  20. 20
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Erik @ 19 – You are not seeing the business people, doctors, lawyers, engineers, police officers, and other responsible, employed individuals (except realtors) whi have done and are doing drugs.

  21. 21
    David Losh says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 18

    Was that Maynard G. Krebs?

    You know, the guy who ended up on Gilligan’s Island forever?

  22. 22
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: pfft @ 12 – Why don’t you ask the UPS driver who busted his balls to deliver your Amazon package today. He might have some comments.

  23. 23
    Erik says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 20
    I can understand the marijuana and cocaine use. I was unaware hallucinogenics have a purpose. I suppose it could increase creativity as it did for Steve jobs.

  24. 24
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Erik @ 23 – “If your thing is gone and you wanna ride on.
    Cocaine.
    Don’t forget this fact, you can’t get it back.
    Cocaine.”

    Marijuana, mushrooms – likely OK. But if you are not so inclined, don’t bother.

  25. 25
    pfft says:

    By wreckingbull @ 22:

    RE: pfft @ 12 – Why don’t you ask the UPS driver who busted his balls to deliver your Amazon package today. He might have some comments.

    I don’t follow. Only those whom can get insurance through their own employer got their insurance cut.

    This is more to do with corporate greed than Obamacare.

    keep trying. perhaps you’ll say something about all those millions of people with pre-existing conditions who can now get insurance? Maybe you’ll say something about those millions of those under 26 who now have health insurance because of Obamacare. will you? perhaps you’ll say something about those who no longer have lifetime or annual caps, yes?

  26. 26
    Macro Investor says:

    By Erik @ 19:

    RE: Blurtman @ 18
    Living in North Everett for 6 years has scared me away from drug use. If you want to see some serious mental health problems from drugs, drive up Hewitt and down broadway. You can see what happened to those people that thought drugs were a good time.

    Not a surprise, but you are confusing cause and effect. First comes the mental illness. Then comes the drug use. Self medication.

  27. 27

    RE: Blurtman @ 24
    Some jobs you could do tripping on psilocybin and stoned. Bank CEO maybe. But not aeronautic engineer or real estate agent. If the real estate agent took some mushrooms, all those houses in Redmond Ridge might start looking all alike. Hey wait….

  28. 28
    Macro Investor says:

    By pfft @ 25:

    By wreckingbull @ 22:

    RE: pfft @ 12 – Why don’t you ask the UPS driver who busted his balls to deliver your Amazon package today. He might have some comments.

    This is more to do with corporate greed than Obamacare.

    I find myself having to agree with Pfft. Corporations have been using O-care as an excuse to screw their workers (even more than before). Notice all the breathless predictions of doom coming years before it even got started.

    Premiums will go up 1000%. Ask yourself, just how would they know that, when we don’t even find out the details until this fall?

  29. 29
    pfft says:

    not shocking to those who remember the clinton years.

    California raised a bunch of taxes this year. Its economy hasn’t collapsed.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/22/california-raised-a-bunch-of-taxes-this-year-its-economy-hasnt-collapsed/

    FLASHBACK: In 1993, GOP Warned That Clinton’s Tax Plan Would ‘Kill Jobs,’ ‘Kill The Current Recovery’
    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2010/08/10/173450/1993-quotes/

  30. 30
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 27 – If your pilot has a Grateful Dead pin on his jacket, you might want to take the next flight. “Cap’n Trips at the flight controls. Whoa, look at those trails!”

    A very good friend of mine did a bit too much acid at a Dead show in Irvine in the 80’s. I am sure this happened to you. Drop two tabs, nothing. Drop a few more, and then the first two kick in. Ruthroh. Hang on. Anyway, he enjoyednthe show, but had a difficult time finding the car in the lot. Luckily, his friends did not bail on him. But once back in San Diego, he remarked that the meat in his Roberto’s carne asada burrito was moving around like worms. Still ate it, though.

  31. 31
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 28 – I don’t think it really matters. One of the primary promises of Obamacare was “If you like your employer plan, you can keep it.”. I never heard him say, “If you like your employer plan, they will have a much better excuse to ditch you, and likely will”. This was poorly conceived. I am not going to address the Straw men arguments pfft brings up. Of course we have a broken system today. The problem is that we are out of the pan and into the fire now. None of the structural problems have been addressed.

  32. 32
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 31 – Edit is broken, so I will have to reply to myself here. My wife does get access to insurance. The problem is that it is a facade of insurance and pretty much useless, as many plans are these days. Luckily, I can add her to my own. So yes, there is a problem, pfft. Choices are being removed.

  33. 33
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 32 – Wouldn’t want to straw man you, but is your implication that fewer insurance choices for some is a more harmful loss of choice than no insurance choices others?

    It certainly is poorly conceived, but it was invented by Republicans for the strategic purpose of fending off a real 1st world plan. Seems the blame should go to its real inventor?

  34. 34
  35. 35
    David Losh says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 33RE: wreckingbull @ 32RE: Macro Investor @ 28

    We have a thread for this, but the bottom line is that we need a National Health Care Plan offered, and run by the government. It’s the only way, and all of those arguments are on the Health Care thread.

    ObamaCare looks a lot like RomneyCare, but Obama wanted a single payer government run program. Republicans didn’t like that so pushed through the ObamaCare Plan which they are now complaining about.

  36. 36
    Ron says:

    RE: pfft @ 12

    Republican’s have nothing to offer regarding our national health care crisis. No bills, no ideas. They have become a national embarrassment. It’s all about the concentration of wealth….pretty easy to understand their perspective.

    • More than 835,000 uninsured Washington residents will become eligible for coverage on Jan 1, 2014.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/health-care-inc/2013/08/feds-report-obamacare-already-has-an.html

  37. 37
    Erik says:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 26
    Meth and crack induce mental illness. I thought the same thing, but that isn’t necessarily the case.
    http://www.psychosissucks.ca/substanceuseandpsych.cfm

    “It is estimated that 10-20% of “crystal meth” abusers develop psychosis.”

  38. 38
    Haybaler says:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 28

    Fact is that since vote for Obamacare those of us who have had employer sponsored health insurance are already paying substantially, nearly double, more for the same insurance coverage….. I detailed the particulars some time back in the Healthcare thread….. In a nutshell, : employer plan manager sent a letter at renewal time explaining that due to upcoming law changes fees need to increase because we are now insuring adult children and preexisting conditions.

  39. 39
    pfft says:

    By wreckingbull @ 31:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 28 – I don’t think it really matters. One of the primary promises of Obamacare was “If you like your employer plan, you can keep it.”. I never heard him say, “If you like your employer plan, they will have a much better excuse to ditch you, and likely will”. This was poorly conceived. I am not going to address the Straw men arguments pfft brings up. Of course we have a broken system today. The problem is that we are out of the pan and into the fire now. None of the structural problems have been addressed.

    what “structural” issues haven’t been addressed? pre-existing conditions? lifetime and annual caps? bending the cost curve? keeping premiums lower? keeping kids on their parent’s plan longer?

    “”If you like your employer plan, they will have a much better excuse to ditch you, and likely will”. This was poorly conceived.

    15,000 people will be getting insurance from their employer now instead of their spouses’ employer. Obamacare will make any insurance they have better than it was a few years ago. Weigh the minor headache of 15,000 against the fact that tens of millions can now get health insurance. Even the 15,000 people will have better insurance than before Obamacare.

    this is more about corporate greed. someone realized they can “make the numbers” or “reach a quarterly target” and decided to axe these benefits. they could even blame it on Obamacare and Obama! someone might even get a bonus for this.

    ” I am not going to address the Straw men arguments pfft brings up.”

    please do I am sure I can counter.

  40. 40
    ChrisM says:

    RE: ARDELL @ 34 – IMO the best slashdot comment: “[What Microsoft needs] Is to just hire Sinofsky back and give him carte blanche to fire anyone and everyone who supported Ballmer as a job perk. With the chance to fire the woman who forced Metro on him as a job perk, they could probably get him more reasonable on the compensation package.”

    In other news, it appears that (gasp) rising interest rates do in fact effect house sales…

  41. 41
    ChrisM says:

    RE: ChrisM @ 40 – “affect” — apparently the edit function is still broken…

  42. 42
    redmondjp says:

    RE: ARDELL @ 34 – M$ stock price up several percent on the news, but what effect will this have on Eastside housing prices?

    [since edit brkoen, I arm sure dat i used efect proprly]

  43. 43
    pfft says:

    By wreckingbull @ 32:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 31 – Edit is broken, so I will have to reply to myself here. My wife does get access to insurance. The problem is that it is a facade of insurance and pretty much useless, as many plans are these days. Luckily, I can add her to my own. So yes, there is a problem, pfft. Choices are being removed.

    for very few people. weight that versus tens of millions who will have insurance now. weigh that versus the trial of the famillies of the 40,000 people per year that died due to lack of access to good care.

    ” My wife does get access to insurance. The problem is that it is a facade of insurance and pretty much useless, as many plans are these days.”

    how so? even if your wife didn’t get to use your insurance she would still be able to access exchanges and pick good plans thanks to Obamacare. how are choices being removed when you wife moves to your better plan. add on to it the fact that Obamacare makes everyone’s plan better with the removal of pre-existing conditions, lifetime and annual caps and the closing of the donut hole.

  44. 44
    pfft says:

    By whatsmyname @ 33:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 32 – Wouldn’t want to straw man you, but is your implication that fewer insurance choices for some is a more harmful loss of choice than no insurance choices others?

    It certainly is poorly conceived, but it was invented by Republicans for the strategic purpose of fending off a real 1st world plan. Seems the blame should go to its real inventor?

    2 or 3 developed nations have the same sort of program that Obama signed into law. Singapore just moved more towards an Obamacare plan. It’s not the best plan, that would be universal coverage, but it’s not poorly conceived.

    You guys are right Obamacare is a Heritage/Heart Act Republican plan. The Heart Act was a fake bill to give Repblicans cover to vote against Hillarycare. The Heritage Foundation/whatever is currently touring the nation railing against what is essentially their own plan. When Romney passed his plan Heritage praised it.

  45. 45
    pfft says:

    By Ron @ 36:

    RE: pfft @ 12
    � More than 835,000 uninsured Washington residents will become eligible for coverage on Jan 1, 2014.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/health-care-inc/2013/08/feds-report-obamacare-already-has-an.html

    I agree my friend and the above is what it is all about.

    If anyone is against Obamacare and has lifetime and annual caps that are now void why not just write to your insurance company and so thanks but no thanks to lifting those caps. Write and say thanks but no thanks to closing the dounut hole or having your kids stay on your plan until they are 26.

    Nobody here has a pre-existing condition?

    A lot of those Republican Govs are lining up for that Obamacare money. Even Rick Perry.

  46. 46
    pfft says:

    By Haybaler @ 38:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 28

    Fact is that since vote for Obamacare those of us who have had employer sponsored health insurance are already paying substantially, nearly double, more for the same insurance coverage

    Sorry I am just no buying it. It took something like a decade for insurance rates to double, I doubt they’ve done that in the last 2-3 years. Studies show the cost curve is bending and states like New York are doing great on premiums.

    Thanks To Obamacare, New Yorkers’ Health Insurance Premiums Will Plunge 50 Percent
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/17/2313111/thanks-to-obamacare-new-yorkers-health-insurance-premiums-will-plunge-50-percent/

    If your insurance really has gone up that much you might be able to get insurance through the exchanges. not sure though.

  47. 47
    ARDELL says:

    RE: ChrisM @ 40

    To answer both you and jp, I did my thoughts on the market this morning.

    http://raincityguide.com/2013/08/23/home-prices-are-coming-down/

    Will there be additional fallout that is more MS related? Depends on who will be the one to step up, but my guess is that what I wrote this morning will be the same either way.

  48. 48
    Macro Investor says:

    By Erik @ 37:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 26
    It is estimated that 10-20% of crystal meth abusers develop psychosis.

    How would they know that, Erik? Did they take normal, healthy people and give them crack to see how many turn crazy?

    That’s a theory. There’s no way to prove it. However, it’s extremely useful to people who benefit from the drug “war” and big-prison industry.

    Given your background, one would think you could reason beyond the obvious propaganda.

  49. 49
    Macro Investor says:

    RE: ARDELL @ 47

    What are you seeing? Is this just the median for some small niche?

  50. 50
    Blurtman says:

    Obama, a total sell-out. What a piece of crap president.

    Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War

    In court papers filed today (PDF), the United States Department of Justice requested that George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice and Paul Wolfowitz be granted procedural immunity in a case alleging that they planned and waged the Iraq War in violation of international law.

    Plaintiff Sundus Shaker Saleh, an Iraqi single mother and refugee now living in Jordan, filed a complaint in March 2013 in San Francisco federal court alleging that the planning and waging of the war constituted a “crime of aggression” against Iraq, a legal theory that was used by the Nuremberg Tribunal to convict Nazi war criminals after World War II.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-doj-asks-court-to-grant-immunity-to-george-w-bush-for-iraq-war/5346637

  51. 51
    Blurtman says:

    WTF is wrong with the world? Clinton gets impeached for lying about having sex. George W. Bush lies the country into a war that kills 100’s of thousands of Iraqis, kills and maims thousands of US soldiers, and that imbecile Obama wants to grant him immunity. WTF?

  52. 52
    David Losh says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 51

    George ahs a lot to answer for, including a global economic melt down.

    Yes he, and Dick Cheney need to be prosecuted.

    The banksters may be murky, but these guys we know committed crimes,

  53. 53
    Sarah says:

    RE: David Losh @ 52 – How much are the home dopey floor plans? How does the floor plan fit the site if it wasn’t custom? Also, what is the minimum cost of building a house per sq ft around here? Thanks :)

  54. 54
    Blurtman says:

    Bone to pffft:

    Section One: Cost of Health Insurance
    The average annual premiums in 2013 are $5,884 for single coverage and $16,351 for family coverage. Average premiums increased 5% for single coverage and 4% for family coverage in the last year. Family premiums have increased 80% since 2003 and have more than doubled since 2002. Average family premiums for workers in small firms (3-199 workers) ($15,581) are significantly lower than average family premiums for workers in larger firms (200 or more workers) ($16,715).

    http://kff.org/report-section/ehbs-2013-section-1/

  55. 55
    David Losh says:

    RE: Sarah @ 53

    You supply the measurements, or you can pay to have some one come to measure.

    The price per sq ft, I think, is about $120 per, depending on the construction, and finishes.

  56. 56
    Ron says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 51

    “Clinton gets impeached for lying about having violent love.”
    and we all know that the republican’s ‘man of the year’ who led that charge was screwing his mistress at the time. Yet another gift to this country, newt gingrich

    “George W. Bush lies the country into a war that kills 100′s of thousands of Iraqis, kills and maims thousands of US soldiers”
    you are correct on that point

    “and that imbecile Obama wants to grant him immunity. WTF?”
    does anyone honestly expect the first black president of the united states to hold the bush family responsible for their atrocities? come on. The CIA, military, and the US military industrial complex would never let that happen and everyone knows it. I hear no outrage from the republicans who put their golden boy GW in office.

  57. 57
    David Losh says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 54

    You really need to go back to the Reagan era to get an idea about the cost of Health Insurance, and the rate increases. AIDS tapped a lot out of the Health Insurance game which they are still trying to recover from.

    This new pre existing condition, and lack of annual caps thing has them really spooked. We’ll see who survives, but the government will need to step in for a bail out.

  58. 58
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Ron @ 56 – Let’s have the military junta already, and complete the transition to banana republic.

  59. 59

    RE: Blurtman @ 58
    That’s not the way this country works. You can have a military junta, but it would have to appear to be a “democracy”. There’s lots of choice, as long as the oligarchy runs things.

  60. 60
    ARDELL says:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 49

    This from yesterday somewhat mirroring my thoughts of earlier in the week as to seasonal, interest rate changes and general national economic indicators. .

    http://siouxcityjournal.com/advertorial/siouxland_homes/home-sellers-are-worried/article_d95f555d-1909-5102-a22d-f7724fe56302.html

    I wouldn’t call them “niche” stats. More checking the market in various places that are not unduly impacted by other local factors either positively or negatively. We won’t have the full proofs until we can do YOY stats for 4th quarter, but I expect the reduction to be great this year than last year’s YOY results.

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