Poll: I prefer a home with the dining room…

I prefer a home with the dining room...

  • ...as a separate, formal room. (28%, 30 Votes)
  • ...as an attached space off the kitchen. (61%, 65 Votes)
  • ...left out of the floor plan entirely. (11%, 12 Votes)

Total Voters: 107

This poll was active 10.13.2013 through 10.19.2013

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About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.


  1. 1
    pfft says:

    You want to know why your grandparents didn’t open the dining room into the kitchen? The kitchen is LOUD. If someone has the hood going you can’t hear. If someone is frying something you can’t hear. If someone is washing dishes or putting dishes away you can’t hear. God help you if you are doing two of those at once! If your living room is off your kitchen you can’t hear the tv.

  2. 2
    whatsmyname says:

    Please bring back the thumbs down.
    How can I tell if people are reading my stuff?

  3. 3
    Corndogs says:

    I never vote in ‘The Tims” polls and I never gave his posts a thumb down or a thumb up, Now that there is no thumb down I feel obliged to say that this post sucks. I don’t even have a good reason because I haven’t read it. just want to exercise my right to get some negativity out there. So yeah, that’s all.

  4. 4
    Anonymous Coward says:

    Large. I don’t care if it’s attached to the kitchen or a separate room. It just has to be big enough to fit a table which seats 10 people. This is probably my biggest peeve with most newer construction*. There’s a place for a kitchen table and a place for a dining room table. But if you want to have 10 people for dinner, you’ll have to divide up and eat in multiple rooms. Are all architects childless introverts or something?

    *The other being garages which are too small for a full-sized car.

  5. 5
    3rd Generation says:

    3. Corndogs
    What he said – seconded.

    The typical comment/ make that opinion is usually so bad, consider eliminating the thumbs up altogether and just going red – thumbs down. BTW, ENOUGH

    Garbage IN, Garbage OUT.

  6. 6
    Peter Witting says:

    I like the new no thumbs-down policy. It means that Erick can’t get his knickers in a knot over perceived slights or feeling less popular than others.

  7. 7
    Dave says:

    What I can’t understand is the need for a bar AND an eating nook in the kitchen in addition to a formal dining room. I never know anyone to use their dining room when they have so many other eating options. Or maybe we just don’t have that many friends…?

    We have, IMHO, the perfect setup in our current house: a counter/bar with a rounded end for informal eating (breakfast & lunch with kids) and a formal dining room right next to the kitchen (none of this ‘across the hallway’ or ‘through the butler’s panty’ trek to the far-away dining room). We use our dining room every night. And when the kids are done eating, my wife and I close the door to the kitchen/family room and are able to talk in peace.

  8. 8
    Jonness says:

    Please bring back the flamethrower! :)

  9. 9
    Erik says:

    RE: Peter Witting @ 6
    Yeah, the thumbs down was beginning to wear on my confidence. I was starting to question who I really was. These angry nerds were wearing me down. I’m glad the thumbs down is gone.

    Corndogs- I read it, and yes this post is super lame. “I prefer a home with a dining room…” I don’t see why it matters. This room is becoming obsolete in modern society. Most families don’t go church on sundays and make a meal and eat as a family anymore. Maybe that’s how they do in Clark County, but not in modern society.

  10. 10
    Erik says:

    RE: Jonness @ 7
    No thank you. I am happier just posting and not getting massive negative feedback. :) It feels good these last couple topics.

  11. 11
    Corndogs says:

    In the morning you should have the option to eat in a designated breakfast room that has morning sun from the east and south but also a westerly view of the Puget Sound as well as a view overlooking perfectly manicured grounds and wildlife. Alternatively, in the morning you should be able to just stay in a 900 sq ft master suite. Opening the door to the master bath there should be morning sun coming through clerestory windows and skylights. There should be a Keurig in the master bath and a minifridge with breakfast foods. Then from there, there should be choices…..return to bed or walk onto a small covered master deck and sit in an oversized driftwood bench with comfy pillows and watch as the sun illuminates more and more of the hillside across the harbor or watch a storm or fog or the rain, whatever the morning brings. Also there needs to be a sauna, and heated towel rack so you can put on some warm shorts grab some fresh fruit and a bagel out of the minifridge and walk onto a 2nd master deck off the master bath and sit in a hot-tub and have breakfast overlooking gardens and orchard trees where there is more of a chance than not to see some deer or varied hares and bald eagles flying overhead. If you don’t want to sit in the hot tub, the deck should have built in benches to sit at next to the garden and you should be able to slip on some garden shoes and walk into the garden and eat breakfast at the edge of a raised bed. Another thing you should be able to do is throw some bone dry madrona into a huge stone fireplace in the main living room and get a crackling fire going, then as people get up they can come sit around the kitchen island as you make breakfast, they can eat there or claim a seat next to the hearth and eat some eggs as they get their toes warmed up by the fire or warm up their backsides while checking out the view of the harbor. If the weathers nice they can walk out to the main deck that has three wrought iron tables with umbrellas and a westerly view of the sound and seating for 20 or they can sit in the covered main entry way on the east side that has seating for 8 and a view of the gardens and the morning sun. Another thing you might do is take your breakfast downstairs to the workout room where you can put some time in on the elliptical while watching the news on the big screen or do some yoga or you can go into the art room and continue on with your painting while snacking. Another thing you might do is go to the upstairs bar which has a sink and minifridges and make yourself a bloody Mary and proceed as noted above to any one of the areas mentioned while drinking your breakfast. Or you could belly up to the downstairs bar and sit next to the downstairs fireplace and drink many bloody Marys while watching a football game. There should also be a formal and informal dining room as well.

  12. 12
    Peter Witting says:

    RE: Dave @ 7 – Absolutely agree that the dining room and kitchen need to be a close proximity. I’ve seen dining rooms that are, for practical purposes, in a different part of the home. Another 10,000 sf monstrosity appeared to have the dining room adjoining the entry hall.

  13. 13
    mike says:

    By Anonymous Coward @ 4:

    Large. I don’t care if it’s attached to the kitchen or a separate room. It just has to be big enough to fit a table which seats 10 people. This is probably my biggest peeve with most newer construction*. There’s a place for a kitchen table and a place for a dining room table. But if you want to have 10 people for dinner, you’ll have to divide up and eat in multiple rooms. Are all architects childless introverts or something?

    *The other being garages which are too small for a full-sized car.

    Both are about adjusting your lifestyle to fit the space. Buy a smaller car to fit the garage and estrange family members to fit the dining room.

  14. 14

    RE: Corndogs @ 11
    Every once in a while, Corndogs strikes gold with a truly funny post. This is one.

  15. 15
    David B. says:

    I prefer a kitchen with an eating area set off by walls from the living room, which I guess is a form of “attached space off the kitchen”, so that’s how I voted.

  16. 16
    AndySeattle says:

    Corndogs FTW… game over. Let’s wrap it up folks, time to go home.

  17. 17
    Anonymous Coward says:

    Um, Corndogs, unless you live in Australia, how are you going to watch football over breakfast? Or do you not get up until noon?

  18. 18
    Astro Kermit says:

    Eating should be a communal open experience IMHO. I like the kitchen, dining and family room to be connected with no walls. It’s a good trend in new home and restaurant designs (everyone should experience Revel in Fremont). It keeps everything open and ambient. When we have guests over, it would be nice to be talking and entertaining while cooking.

    On the topic of the removal of the “thumbs down” button – I believe there should be an ability to upvote and downvote posts like Reddit. Maybe allow downvotes to happen, but keep the counter invisible. When it reaches a threshold, then fade it away. It allows the community to highlight classic posts (like Corndog’s above) or filter away individuals that bring nothing to the discussion.

  19. 19
    Macro Investor says:

    By Astro Kermit @ 18:

    On the topic of the removal of the “thumbs down” button .

    Tim is having a temper tantrum. Remember a few weeks ago? He is upset that people down voted one of his articles. Rather than respect that feedback as a necessary part of the creative process, his “solution” is to avoid negativity all together. That’s so Seattle, is it not?

    The kids weren’t appreciating Dad’s sacrifices enough. As he’s repeatedly said, if you don’t like it you can ask for your money back and/or create your own blog.

  20. 20
    Erik says:

    RE: Astro Kermit @ 18
    The problem was that the thumbs down were given to really good posts. There are herds of computer programmers and real estate agents that stroke one another and pick people to hate on. Corndogs use to get tons of down votes because losh doesn’t like him and all his friends would give some his really good posts thumbs down. I made “Wreckingbull and the Goon Squad” mad, so they tried to delete all of my posts with thumbs down. Basically, the thumbs down are given to really good posts. There are too many unintelligent people on here that can’t think for themselves and vote with their feelings. I think Macro Investor, 3rd Generation, Wreckingbull and the goon squad, losh, and i’m sure there are others all ganged up as the group of morons. They would get lots of thumbs up for really bad content. Corndogs got lots of thumbs down for some pretty intelligent posts.

    I just pointed out that Wreckingbull never posts anything substantial. I got lashings for weeks with all of my posts getting massive thumbs down because I spoke truth. The number of fools on here far exceeds the group of intelligent people, so the thumbs down is nonsense. There are some smart people on here, but they are few and far between.

  21. 21
    The Tim says:

    RE: Macro Investor @ 19 – Hilarious, and also total nonsense. I don’t give a crap how many thumbs down my articles got.

    I am trying this out as a test based on user feedback. Someone emailed me and specifically laid out a thoughtful argument for why they thought I should get rid of the thumbs down, so I figured I would give it a try.

  22. 22
    Macro Investor says:

    RE: The Tim @ 21

    Fair enough. I stand corrected. Glad to hear blog comments don’t bother you.

  23. 23
    ChrisM says:

    RE: The Tim @ 21 – Can you outline the reasons (unless it deals w/ trolls)?

  24. 24
    Topdog says:

    Sunshine, butterflies, happy places, pink ponies, dining space for all our friends and all thumbs up. All together now in our yellow submarine off into the wonderful world of make believe with raising home prices forever.

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