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About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.

56 comments:

  1. 1

    By pfft @ 20:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 19:

    RE: pfft @ 17 – WTF are you talking about? Don’t you know that Obamacare was ruled to have violated the 10th Amendment? Your memory really sucks.

    no it hasn’t. maybe you are talking about the states having to expand medicaid part. A ruling like that has never happened before and keep it mind it’s the very pro-business Roberts court which said racism is over…

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

    Seven of the nine Justices agreed that the Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional–but I guess that “never happened” because your memory sucks.

    And what drugs were you on when you wrote that second sentence?

  2. 2

    Underestimating Putin. Underestimating ISIS. What’s next for Obama?

  3. 3
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2 – Why should the US give more of a rat’s arse about the Ukraine, halfway around the world although visible from Palin’s window, than a country that the Ukraine borders? You seem to endorse the rather anti-libertarian view that the USA is the world’s policeman. Do we have a “National Security Interest” in the Ukraine?

  4. 4

    RE: Blurtman @ 3 – I didn’t say what the US should do, only that Obama underestimated him. Remember the debate with Romney where he mocked Romney for thinking Russia was a threat? Something about having a foreign policy booklet from the 70s, if I recall. Or how about the overheard Obama comment that he could be more flexible after the election. Did he mean bending over and grabbing his ankles?

    But as to why we should care, I suggest you research the rise of Hitler. Particularly 1936, which was three years before the start of WWII. Putin is a huge concern, and unfortunately we have a miserable failure in the White House, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. Fortunately this is more of Europe’s concern, at least for now, and that means it really will depend more on what Europe does than what we do. Again, my comment was more to the point that Obama doesn’t have a clue.

    And getting back to ISIS, their rise calls into question both Obama’s inability to negotiate his way out of a paper bag (residual troops in Iraq), but also his entire theory behind expanding activities in Afghanistan. Trying to stop terrorism by fighting a lengthy war in one country is like trying to reduce the number of feral cats by neutering male cats. There will always be another country or another male cat.

    But part of ISIS blame has to fall on Bush and Rumsfeld too. Keeping Iraq one country was stupid–it should have been three countries, or at least three very strong states under a very weak federal government. Trying to keep ethnic groups together that hate each other is stupid. Compare Iraq to Yugoslavia.

  5. 5
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 4 – Remind me how many countries Russia has bombed or invaded in the last decade. I have lost track.

    ISIS would not be in Iraq if Saddam Hussein were in power. And he was a brutal thug, no question. But is the current situation an improvement?

  6. 6
    DrRick says:

    Here are two interesting reads on Ferguson. The first from an ex marine and the second from, wait for it,… Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Good reads.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/181315/catalog-ferguson-police-weaponry
    http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

    Fel Temp Reparatio

  7. 7

    RE: Blurtman @ 5 – How many countries had Germany invaded in 1936. But are you seriously questioning whether Putin is evil? We knew in 2012 that he had setup a puppet as president and then regained power. And the Pussy Riot issue also occurred before the debate. Obama not recognizing the threat in 2012 would be laughable if it wasn’t such a serious issue.

    And yes, doing nothing in Iraq probably would have been better with regards to ISIS. But that doesn’t mean Iraq couldn’t have been done better once we did start doing things. If we’d followed the Democrats’ advice in 2006 this ISIS thing would have been happening in 2008. Would that have somehow been better? The point is our actions and inaction setup ISIS. Part of that is on Bush and part of that is on Obama.

  8. 8

    RE: DrRick @ 6 – On the militarization of the police I have to laugh at some of the analysis from some sources. Who cares what they are wearing or what they drive? They could wear clown outfits (actually desert camouflage in MO isn’t that different) and drive Yugos and it wouldn’t matter. But the assault weapons are disturbing, beyond just how they point the weapons.

    Under what scenario do they envision those being necessary? Are they getting training from South Africa?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/aug/16/south-african-police-shoot-striking-miners

    Have they even heard of Kent State?

  9. 9
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 7 – I do not believe you answered the question. Let’s try it the other way. How many countries has the USA bombed or invaded in the last decade? Don’t forget drones in your calculation.

  10. 10

    By Blurtman @ 9:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 7 – I do not believe you answered the question. Let’s try it the other way. How many countries has the USA bombed or invaded in the last decade? Don’t forget drones in your calculation.

    There are similarities between Obama and Putin. Neither respects the law and both are power hungry. It’s just that Putin is varsity level and Obama jayvee. ;-)

  11. 11
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 1:

    By pfft @ 20:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 19:

    RE: pfft @ 17 – WTF are you talking about? Don’t you know that Obamacare was ruled to have violated the 10th Amendment? Your memory really sucks.

    no it hasn’t. maybe you are talking about the states having to expand medicaid part. A ruling like that has never happened before and keep it mind it’s the very pro-business Roberts court which said racism is over…

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

    Seven of the nine Justices agreed that the Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional–but I guess that “never happened” because your memory sucks.

    And what drugs were you on when you wrote that second sentence?

    “Seven of the nine Justices agreed that the Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional–but I guess that “never happened” because your memory sucks.”

    yes it had never happened before. As in before the Court ruled it in that case. It’s a crappy ruling from Court that just declared racism dead and that corporations are people.

  12. 12
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ 5:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 4 – Remind me how many countries Russia has bombed or invaded in the last decade. I have lost track.

    really? South Ossetia(Georgia), Crimea and Eastern Ukraine to varying degrees.

  13. 13
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ 11 – Thanks for playing. You will note that all of the countries you described border Russia. Now if you will, please list how many countries Russia has troops garrisoned in. And to complete the Double Jeopardy question, please do the same for the USA.

  14. 14
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ 12 – BTW, you described the Ukraine twice and so you forfeit your points. Better luck next time.

  15. 15

    RE: pfft @ 11 – It hasn’t declared corporations people. Yet another topic you don’t understand, and another example of you being gullible (falling for a nonsense argument). Corporations are persons in the statute under which Hobby Lobby was decided (or more precisely the “dictionary act”), but that had nothing at all to do with Citizen’s United.

    But that is another area where Obama was wrong on a constitutional issue. Has he ever been right on a constitutional issue in front of the Supreme Court? I don’t recall any, but I might be overlooking something. Rather than looking for his birth certificate I think people should probably be looking for his law degree!

    As to your having never happened before, I’ve commented in the past how difficult it is to lose a 10th Amendment argument, but Obama managed to do just that. That just shows his overreaching.

  16. 16
    Blurtman says:

    Invade a country under false pretexts, kill civilians, and laugh about the rationale. So who is the mad dog death machine on the planet? Russia?

    737 U.S. Military Bases = Global Empire
    With more than 2,500,000 U.S. personnel serving across the planet and military bases spread across each continent, it’s time to face up to the fact that our American democracy has spawned a global empire.

    The total of America’s military bases in other people’s countries in 2005, according to official sources, was 737. Reflecting massive deployments to Iraq and the pursuit of President Bush’s strategy of preemptive war, the trend line for numbers of overseas bases continues to go up.

    Interestingly enough, the thirty-eight large and medium-sized American facilities spread around the globe in 2005 — mostly air and naval bases for our bombers and fleets — almost exactly equals Britain’s thirty-six naval bases and army garrisons at its imperial zenith in 1898. The Roman Empire at its height in 117 AD required thirty-seven major bases to police its realm from Britannia to Egypt, from Hispania to Armenia. Perhaps the optimum number of major citadels and fortresses for an imperialist aspiring to dominate the world is somewhere between thirty-five and forty.

    http://www.alternet.org/story/47998/737_u.s._military_bases_%3D_global_empire

  17. 17
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ 13:

    RE: pfft @ 11 – Thanks for playing. You will note that all of the countries you described border Russia. Now if you will, please list how many countries Russia has troops garrisoned in. And to complete the Double Jeopardy question, please do the same for the USA.

    LOL.

    you didn’t know about any of those examples did you? I bet you totally forgot about South Ossetia if you knew about it at all.

  18. 18
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 15:

    RE: pfft @ 11 – It hasn’t declared corporations people. Yet another topic you don’t understand, and another example of you being gullible (falling for a nonsense argument). Corporations are persons in the statute under which Hobby Lobby was decided (or more precisely the “dictionary act”), but that had nothing at all to do with Citizen’s United.

    But that is another area where Obama was wrong on a constitutional issue. Has he ever been right on a constitutional issue in front of the Supreme Court? I don’t recall any, but I might be overlooking something. Rather than looking for his birth certificate I think people should probably be looking for his law degree!

    As to your having never happened before, I’ve commented in the past how difficult it is to lose a 10th Amendment argument, but Obama managed to do just that. That just shows his overreaching.

    no it doesn’t, it just shows how ludicrous this court is.

    “Has he ever been right on a constitutional issue in front of the Supreme Court? ”

    LOL.

    Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Law, 5-4, in Victory for Obama
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/supreme-court-lets-health-law-largely-stand.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  19. 19
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ 14:

    RE: pfft @ 12 – BTW, you described the Ukraine twice and so you forfeit your points. Better luck next time.

    no I didn’t. Crimea is not the Ukraine. Close but not the same.

  20. 20
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 4:

    RE: Blurtman @ 3

    And getting back to ISIS, their rise calls into question both Obama’s inability to negotiate his way out of a paper bag (residual troops in Iraq), but also his entire theory behind expanding activities in Afghanistan. Trying to stop terrorism by fighting a lengthy war in one country is like trying to reduce the number of feral cats by neutering male cats. There will always be another country or another male cat.

    ISIS is an offshoot of AQI which grew while we had hundreds of thousands of troops there for almost a decade so to say that Obama keeping US troops in Iraq would have stopped ISIS is dumb.

    “Trying to stop terrorism by fighting a lengthy war in one country is like trying to reduce the number of feral cats by neutering male cats.”

    but you just said that Obama should have kept troops in country for a lengthy war.

  21. 21
    Blake says:

    By DrRick @ 6:

    Here are two interesting reads on Ferguson. The first from an ex marine and the second from, wait for it,… Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Good reads.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/181315/catalog-ferguson-police-weaponry
    http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

    Fel Temp Reparatio

    Thanks Doc… great links!!! I always admired Kareem… very articulate and impassioned.

  22. 22
    Blake says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 10:

    By Blurtman @ 9:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 7 – I do not believe you answered the question. Let’s try it the other way. How many countries has the USA bombed or invaded in the last decade? Don’t forget drones in your calculation.

    There are similarities between Obama and Putin. Neither respects the law and both are power hungry. It’s just that Putin is varsity level and Obama jayvee. ;-)

    Ah, so Russia is “on the march” intervening in the Ukraine… or on the defensive?? The Ukraine has been associated or part of Russia for hundreds of years and hosts Russia’s largest naval base and is a source of a great deal of its heavy industry. Seems like Putin intervened to keep the Crimea and parts of Ukraine as a defensive manuever, not to expand it’s reach…. defensive, no?

    As for Obama being outplayed…
    Obama was foolish to not purge all the neoconservatives that Cheney and colleagues impplanted throughout the national security bureacracy before leaving power. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland was the architect of the Ukraine fiasco… she was principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Dick Cheney and is married to neocon Robert Kagan, co-founder of the Project for the New American Century and one of the leading promoters of the Iraq war.

    As David Bromwich pointed out last month:
    “(Obama’s) obliviousness to the Cheney weeds in his policy garden is characteristic and revealing. As Barton Gellman revealed in Angler, still the best book about Cheney, the vice president in 2001 was given a free hand to sow the departments and agencies of government with first and second-echelon workers who were fanatically loyal to him. Many of those people are still around; Obama made no effort to scour his government of their influence.”

    It was pure idiocy for the US to intervene in the Ukraine and not expect Russia to move to protect their vital interests… the US or any nation would do the same.

    In Foreign Affairs last week, John Mearsheimer lays out the “delusions that provoked Putin.”
    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault
    “The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West… Imagine the American outrage if China built an impressive military alliance and tried to include Canada and Mexico. ”

    … I know I know… The corporate media refrain is Bad evil Putin… bad evil Putin!!! But in the elite foreign policy journals they can speak a bit more honestly.

    Yes, Kary, you can try to blame Obama for being weak, but he was weak in that he didn’t purge the neocon idiots and warmongers from his admin! Or you can blame Bill Clinton if you need a Democrat scapegoat. Clinton’s administration reneged on the US promise to not expand NATO eastward after the early 1990s. Russia is a nation that has experienced more war and suffering than we in the US can only imagine… you think they want rightwing, neofascist regimes on their borders?

    But yes Kary, you can actually blame Obama for this much: The Big 0 went to the UN in 2011 and got a “No Fly Zone” for Libya … The US then used this to bomb ground forces and government positions all over Libya and brought the central government crumbing down! And yes, Putin has cited this duplicity by the US in his spurning of international law in Crimea – – rightly or wrongly.
    And… yes destroying Libya helped create a jihadi stronghold that channeled weapons and fanatics directly to Syria, providing ISIS with advanced weapons and soldiers…

  23. 23

    By pfft @ 18:

    “Has he ever been right on a constitutional issue in front of the Supreme Court? ”

    LOL.

    Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Law, 5-4, in Victory for Obama
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/supreme-court-lets-health-law-largely-stand.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    Not on the Commerce Clause basis which he claimed it would get by on. That was a moronic position. It got by based on the taxation power, and Obama claimed it wasn’t a tax, that it was a penalty.

    But hey, I know it’s difficult for you to remember these things.

  24. 24

    By pfft @ 20:

    “Trying to stop terrorism by fighting a lengthy war in one country is like trying to reduce the number of feral cats by neutering male cats.”

    but you just said that Obama should have kept troops in country for a lengthy war.

    I know you have a hard time understanding things, but my point was ISIS developed in Syria, despite our presence in Afghanistan. I thought that point was sort of obvious.

    ISIS would have been less likely to spread into Iraq if we had left some troops there. But if they had despite our presence, we might have done something about them getting all of the US built equipment which we are now blowing up piece meal.

    Do you have any understanding at all of why we left troops in Europe for so long after WWII?

  25. 25

    RE: Blake @ 22 – I’m not only blaming Obama for being weak. I’m blaming him for not being able to understand squat! He didn’t think Russia was a risk. He didn’t think ISIS was a risk. I haven’t said he should have done anything in Ukraine or Syria. But with his failure to understand anything that is going on in the world though, it is not surprising he hasn’t done much. And giving his inability to know what is going on or the secondary effects of the things he does do, we should be thankful he hasn’t done much.

    But let’s talk about Syria. Obama had his imaginary “red line” which boxed him into a corner. Then Putin stepped in and made him look not only foolish, but also weak (although this didn’t help much either): http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jun/05/barack-obama-presidential-workout-warsaw-video ;-)

    BTW, I agree with you on the remnants of the Bush administration.

  26. 26
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ 19 – The international community says you are wrong. Try Googling Russia annexes Crimea.

  27. 27

    By pfft @ 19:

    Crimea is not the Ukraine.

    OMG, pfft is Putin!

  28. 28
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ 17 – Wrong again. Wiki says Russia has 10 military bases in other countries. The USA has 737.

    Thanks for playing, and as a parting gift, we have a copy of Funk & Wagnalls standard encyclopedia for you to enjoy.

  29. 29

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2:

    Underestimating Putin. Underestimating ISIS. What’s next for Obama?

    OMG! They’re probably in the air as I write this! ;-)

    http://time.com/3176754/isis-isil-syria-homeland-attack/

    Seriously, this is worse than Cramer saying to invest in Seattle real estate.

  30. 30

    It would be interesting to know the type of thinking that goes into a decision like Weyerhaeuser moving into Pioneer Square. We’re talking a company that owns a lot of land, and is complaining that the cost of their current space is too much. Moving to Seattle to avoid cost seems odd, but perhaps the mass transit options help offset some other costs.

    Also, they are leaving their tech people in Federal Way, but being in Seattle would probably be a bigger draw for tech people than some of their other employees.

    If I were a Weyerhaeuser employee that lived significantly south of Federal Way I wouldn’t be happy with the new commute, unless maybe I could easily take the train.

  31. 31

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 30 – No interest at all in that topic? Did I forget to mention that Obama is forcing them to move, but also giving them tax credits? ;-)

  32. 32
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 23:

    By pfft @ 18:

    “Has he ever been right on a constitutional issue in front of the Supreme Court? ”

    LOL.

    Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Law, 5-4, in Victory for Obama
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/supreme-court-lets-health-law-largely-stand.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    Not on the Commerce Clause basis which he claimed it would get by on. That was a moronic position. It got by based on the taxation power, and Obama claimed it wasn’t a tax, that it was a penalty.

    But hey, I know it’s difficult for you to remember these things.

    no I actually remember that. I dont know why you would claim I didn’t.


    Not on the Commerce Clause basis which he claimed it would get by on.”

    nope.

  33. 33
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 24:

    By pfft @ 20:

    “Trying to stop terrorism by fighting a lengthy war in one country is like trying to reduce the number of feral cats by neutering male cats.”

    but you just said that Obama should have kept troops in country for a lengthy war.

    I know you have a hard time understanding things, but my point was ISIS developed in Syria,

    no it didn’t. It was kicked out of AQI in Iraq. It fought in Syria though.

  34. 34
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 25:

    RE: Blake @ 22 – I’m not only blaming Obama for being weak. I’m blaming him for not being able to understand squat! He didn’t think Russia was a risk. He didn’t think ISIS was a risk. I haven’t said he should have done anything in Ukraine or Syria. But with his failure to understand anything that is going on in the world though, it is not surprising he hasn’t done much. And giving his inability to know what is going on or the secondary effects of the things he does do, we should be thankful he hasn’t done much.

    But let’s talk about Syria. Obama had his imaginary “red line” which boxed him into a corner. Then Putin stepped in and made him look not only foolish, but also weak (although this didn’t help much either): http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jun/05/barack-obama-presidential-workout-warsaw-video ;-)

    BTW, I agree with you on the remnants of the Bush administration.

    good god are you right about anything?

    “He didn’t think Russia was a risk.”

    link.

    “He didn’t think ISIS was a risk.”

    link.

    “But with his failure to understand anything that is going on in the world though, it is not surprising he hasn’t done much. And giving his inability to know what is going on or the secondary effects of the things he does do, we should be thankful he hasn’t done much”

    elaborate and provide links please.

  35. 35
    Blurtman says:

    Schoolchildren forced to sing Kim Jong-Il’s praises. One reason why the USA is the better country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whHNhWZOH7M

  36. 36
  37. 37
  38. 38
    Wonka's Oompha-Loompha says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 3

    The US and EU should pay attention to Ukraine because they started the brawl

    From Bloomberg, 2013-11-08
    “…Royal Dutch Shell Plc (RDSA), which signed a $10 billion shale gas deal with the Ukrainian government this year, expects to start drilling in the Yuzivska field next year.

    Shell will need to drill as many as 15 wells to complete the initial exploration appraisal of the 8,000 square-kilometer (3,100 square-mile) Yuzivska field in the EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY, Graham Tiley, the country manager of Shell Ukraine, said in an interview in Kiev On Nov. 6.”

    The way this war is unfolding — It looks like Ukrainian army is trying hard to depopulate the East of the country. To make it easier to drill :)

  39. 39

    “If you watch the nightly news it feels like the world is falling apart.” President Obama.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/obamas-no-strategy-remark-sends-team-damage-control-n192321

    This video includes that quote, and if you watch the entire thing it’s clear at least that Obama at least understands what the news is saying about him, if nothing else. It’s also clear his administration seems to be in turmoil with Kerry and the military leaders being far out in front if him. More leading from behind!

    Oh, and there’s the little thing about Putin mentioning his nuclear arsenal. (2:20 of the video.)

    This is not pretty, and it’s NBC! Imagine what they are saying on Fox!

  40. 40
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 38 – And you expect the USA to be controlling worldwide events?

  41. 41

    RE: Blurtman @ 39 – I expect to have a President who isn’t clueless, and doesn’t underestimates Putin, doesn’t underestimate ISIS, who can understand the secondary impacts of his positions (e.g. the effect of threatening tax increases and implementing Obamacare on improving employment, setting immigration policies resulting in children crossing the border), and who doesn’t make off-hand comments that get him in trouble (e.g. the red-line in Syria, or not having a strategy against ISIS).

    I haven’t said he should do anything. I’m suggesting however that we wouldn’t be facing these same situations if we had a better leader in the White House who for example didn’t convey a message to Putin that he would be more flexible after the election, or didn’t publicly mock the idea of Russia being a threat. How could anyone possibly underestimate Putin in 2012? That’s just incredible to me. But having done so likely contributed to the Ukraine situation. Putin smells weakness and takes advantage of it (e.g. Syria chemical weapons, Snowden).

  42. 42
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 40 – How is Russia threatening the USA?

  43. 43

    I don’t see why this would be the mess they are predicting, but it’s good to know there is actually some followup on the credits people are claiming to get cheaper insurance. I wonder how popular Obamacare will be after April 15, 2015?

    http://dailydigestnews.com/2014/08/here-we-go-again-tax-forms-could-create-new-obstalce-for-healthcare-gov/

  44. 44

    By Blurtman @ 41:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 40 – How is Russia threatening the USA?

    Well first, I assume you didn’t listen to Putin’s nuclear threat in the video clip. It’s one thing when a total nutcase like the leader of N. Korea threatens nuclear war, but Putin isn’t a nutcase. Second though, I’d ask you how was Hitler threatening the USA in 1936? If you want to be short sighted, don’t consider land grabs in Europe to be a threat.

  45. 45
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 43 – Yes, he said it as a defensive threat, not offensive threat. Remember that dimwit Nuland and her remarks about the Ukraine? The Ukraine is a former Soviet republic. Russia correctly fears NATO on its border. I don’t believe the border of the US extends into eastern Europe.

  46. 46
    whatsmyname says:

    By Blurtman @ 44:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 43 – Yes, he said it as a defensive threat, not offensive threat.

    Do you mean in defense of his offensive troops? No one in his audience has hinted at offensive action against Russian territory.

    Putin is on Hitler’s playbook exactly. He uses charisma at home; keeps the world off balance by shifting between paranoid whining to conciliation to denial to veiled threats of annihilation.

    His concern for “Russian Speakers” is Lebensraum all over again. Ossetia was his Rhineland, Crimea is Austria. Eastern Ukraine is the Sudetenland. He is no less aware than you that all of Ukraine was once a Soviet Republic. He clearly wants to rebuild the USSR, which itself certainly had ambitions beyond its maximum achieved borders. But this is about Putin, not the Russians. Continued success will breed continued ambition. You can stop him now in a small war, or you can try and stop him later in a world war. You can accept a tiny risk he will go nuclear now, or allow devolution to the point it is a near certainty. That is why this is a threat to the US.

  47. 47
    whatsmyname says:

    By Blurtman @ 44:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 43 – Russia correctly fears NATO on its border. .

    ALASKA: Russia has the USA on its border….. and vice versa.

  48. 48

    By Blurtman @ 44:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 43 – Yes, he said it as a defensive threat, not offensive threat.

    Seriously? Under what scenario do you see Russia possibly needing to use nuclear weapons as a defensive tool, such that Putin would need to mention it? I agree with whatsmyname. Putin is dangerous and Obama was incredibly ignorant not to see that in 2012. But in any case, when you’re negotiating with anyone, you don’t let the other side know you’ll be more flexible in the future. Obama wouldn’t even make a good real estate agent!

  49. 49
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 47 – Putin is to be applauded for standing up to the hegemony of the New World Order. Russia has fought Nazis before; countless Russians are buried in the Ukraine. If there are any doubts who the war-like country is, just compare military actions over the last decade. Don’t forget drones.

  50. 50
    mark says:

    Godwin’s law (or Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1″ —​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.

    Kary hit it on the 4th post of this thread. Three of the first four were posts by Kary.

    Too funny. They’re coming to get you Kary!

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    mark says:

    “Obama wouldn’t even make a good real estate agent!”

    I’m sure that the leader of the free world gets up every morning wondering what some real estate agent from Renton, WA, thinks. HaHaHa!

    Kary, you live in Renton! HaHaHa!

    Renton!

    The seat of power in the western world, Kary’s house in Renton! HaHaHa!

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    whatsmyname says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 48

    Putins third war of territorial aggression is no more a “standing up to hegemony” than his nuclear threats were “defensive”. This is just pure BS.

    Ukraine is doing nothing that Russia didn’t do in Chechnya – except that they are killing a lot fewer people doing it.

    Comparisons with the USA are simply a beside the point distraction.

  53. 53

    By mark @ 50:

    “Obama wouldn’t even make a good real estate agent!”

    I’m sure that the leader of the free world gets up every morning wondering what some real estate agent from Renton, WA, thinks. HaHaHa!

    Try reading what I wrote again. I said that he wouldn’t make a good real estate agent (because he is a poor negotiator). I didn’t say anything at all about him caring what I think. Although it is pretty sad when a real estate agent in Renton knows more about the leader of Russia than the President of the United States. But then I know more about a lot of things than Obama, including Con Law where my knowledge isn’t particularly great. Says more about Obama than anything. His abilities are extremely limited, and it’s showing. Some of us saw that three years ago, but now over 60% of the American people see that based on his low approval ratings.

    But in any case the people of the United States should care that Obama has no ability to negotiate. That’s the real reason why there is inaction in Congress–we don’t have a leader in the White House. He proposes one thing after another that he knows will not be acceptable. As I’ve said repeatedly, Obama can’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag. And if you watched any of the Sunday news shows today, they were all talking about the lack of US leadership in the world. That again is because we don’t have a leader in the White House. No one anywhere in the world looks to Obama for anything.

    Oh, one more thing. They were less critical of Obama on Fox than on NBC or maybe even ABC.

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    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 52:

    By mark @ 50:

    “Obama wouldn’t even make a good real estate agent!”

    I’m sure that the leader of the free world gets up every morning wondering what some real estate agent from Renton, WA, thinks. HaHaHa!

    But in any case the people of the United States should care that Obama has no ability to negotiate. That’s the real reason why there is inaction in Congress–we don’t have a leader in the White House.

    LOL. didn’t republicans vow to obstruct obama since day one? yes!

    how do you work with people that will get primaried because they worked with you? Obama isn’t a good negotiator at times but he doesn’t have a willing partner at all. that isn’t his fault.

    republicans today are very conservative to the point of being against things because Obama is for them. not much you can do about that. republicans have shutdown the government. they are threatening to do it again. they are suing him. they might try to impeach him. it’s his fault though? LOL.

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    pfft says:

    so true.

    “There’s no timetable for solving these problems that’s going to meet the cable news cycle speed,” White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer told the Washington Post. “It’s not a tenable thing. We’d much rather do this right than do it quickly. We tried the opposite [during the Bush years] and it worked out very poorly.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dan-pfeiffer-no-timetable-isis-obama

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