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Entries from December 28th, 2007

Dispatches from the Road: Arizona & New Mexico

By Crystal on December 28th, 2007 at 9:13 PM · 90 Comments

with Crystal, the pretty pink pony

Editor’s Note from The Tim: I’m pleased to introduce Crystal, the pretty pink pony; mascot of Seattle real estate. She’ll occasionally pop in (especially over the next few weeks) to share some of her thoughts about the Seattle real estate. She has a… unique perspective that I hope you will find entertaining. Please give her a warm Seattle Bubble welcome.

Crystal on the roadHiya gang! I’m Crystal, and I’d like to thank The Tim for this opportunity to share some of my thoughts with you while we travel across the country! I’m so excited about Seattle’s real estate market, and like, this chance to see how other places stack up against our totally awesome town!

December 26:

Today we drove through Arizona and New Mexico. We drove through Flagstaff and Albuquerque, but sadly, we did not get to visit Phoenix, since we stuck to I-40. It was pretty and all, but I can easily see why real estate prices are dropping down here. First off, there’s like, a ton of land down here! I mean, in Seattle we’re totally running out of land, but in Arizona and New Mexico you can see for miles without even spotting a single house. Definitely not special.

Seriously, check it out:

Lots of empty land in Arizona

The southwest also comes up short on specialness ’cause it’s way too sunny. As you can see in that picture, here in late December the sun is still shining away. What’s with that? Hey Arizona, hey New Mexico, have you met my friend Winter? Bleh. What fun is a state where it’s this sunny in December? No wonder people don’t want to buy homes here anymore!

Also, I kept a pretty keen eye out for the most common signs of specialness, and was mostly let down. Here’s how Arizona and New Mexico stack up on the checklist:

  • Microsoft & Boeing: Barely.
  • Trees: Not enough.
  • Mountains: Yep!
  • Rivers and lakes: Not many :(

As you can see, Arizona and New Mexico don’t have much hope of ever being as special as we are in Seattle. They are fun places to visit, but don’t count on real estate there to make you rich.

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October Case-Shiller: Seattle’s Slide Picks Up Steam

By deejayoh on December 26th, 2007 at 4:44 PM · 82 Comments

The October data from from Case-Shiller has been released, showing that Seattle remained one of only three markets to have positive year over year returns (in addition to Portland and Charlotte), while posting it’s third straight month of declining real estate values:

- Down 0.94% between September and October.
- Up 3.30% YOY.

We now have seen a full quarter of declines which has scrubbed 1.27% off the index. This is a fairly small decline, but to put it in perspective it is a bigger three month loss than any period since October-December 1991 – when the index declined 1.94% as part of a six month slump. With the NWMLS numbers already in for November (-0.5% for the year), it seems unlikely we have reached the end of the trend at this point.

Frankly, the C-S data comes out so far in arrears that I can’t see how it is news to anyone at this point that the downward trend in home prices is continuing. What is interesting to me is that the trend is clearly universal at this point. Month over month changes were negative for every city tracked by the index, for the second straight month.

More worrisome is that both the 10 and 20 city indexes show that the downward trend appears to still be accelerating. This can be seen in this chart, lifted from the Standard & Poors press release:

Case-Shiller 10 and 20 City Indices
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I am skipping Tim’s usual graph (with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months) because I can’t figure out how to show two horizontal axes, but here’s an update of the other graph with all 20 Case-Shiller-tracked cities, with no time-shifting.

Case-Shiller - All Cities
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ChoiceA.com – Free FSBO Listings

By The Tim on December 26th, 2007 at 6:00 AM · 38 Comments

Just a short post during this holiday week to give a little nod to some neighbors to our south down in Portland. If you’re one of the many people out there these days trying to sell your home, or if—against the better advice of this blog—you’re in the market to buy a home; I recommend you take a moment to check out ChoiceA.

The guys that run the site have the lofty goal of eventually becoming a free nationwide alternative to the real estate agent-controlled Multiple Listing Services. Basically it’s a For-Sale-By-Owner (FSBO) site with a shiny graphical interface, free listings, and some tools to help your sale go smoothly.

Obviously I haven’t used the site to buy or sell a home, so I can’t personally vouch for the quality of the experience in doing so. They have some neat tools, and certainly also some room for improvement, but they’re on the right track, and you can’t beat free, right?

Give them a look and shoot them an email if you have any suggestions. Unlike the MLS, they are interested in getting as much feedback as possible from users so they can constantly improve their system.

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Happy Christmas!

By The Tim on December 25th, 2007 at 12:00 AM · 3 Comments

Merry Christmas everybody. You’ve probably all already seen this video, but it’s cool and it’s Christmas (and it’s even a house!), so I’m going to post it here anyway. Enjoy!

And just as a sadistic bonus, here’s the worst Christmas song you’ll ever hear. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Merry Christmas!

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Are Bubble Bloggers a Stopped Clock?

By The Tim on December 24th, 2007 at 6:00 AM · 76 Comments

Now that the real estate market in Seattle is finally showing undeniable signs of reversing direction (read: declining median prices), it’s interesting how the tone of some real estate professionals’ comments regarding this site (and others like it) are changing.

Seattle Bubble was started in August 2005, during a time when the “common knowledge” among those following Seattle-area real estate was that the Seattle market was hot (which it was), and that it would continue to be hot for a good long while, only possibly slowing down slightly sometime down the road. This blog began with a bias toward the notion that the market was in a bubble and a goal to collect as much information as possible to test that theory.

Throughout 2006 this and other housing bubble sites grew in popularity and the Seattle market (mostly) continued its hot streak. During this time, when local real estate agents commented or mentioned Seattle Bubble in their own blogs it was primarily with a tone of amusement. The general sentiment came across as something like: “Oh, that silly bubble blogger. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There is no real estate bubble in Seattle, and the market will only slow to 5-10% appreciation.”

These days though, the tone of the remarks is a little… different. Instead of “Seattle Bubble is wrong,” now it has turned to “Seattle Bubble is only right because they are like a stopped clock. If you keep saying the same thing all the time, eventually you’ll be right.” Here are a few recent examples:

With respect to the Seattle Bubble blog site my guess is that like a broken clock you can be right at least 2x a day.
- Reba

You have to chuckle though. Isn’t it like standing outside and saying it’s 42 degrees day in and day out for three years? One day you are bound to be more right than others. And for a few moments here and there you are bound to be spot on.
- Ardell

Keep in mind that Seattle Bubble (and most other bubble blogs out there) has only been in existence for a little over two years. Given the slow-moving nature of the real estate market, is it really that unreasonable that we should be making the same point–that the market is overheated and ripe for a correction–for two years?

Let’s also not misrepresent what Seattle Bubble and other bubble blogs have been saying during the past few years.

What we haven’t been saying:

The housing market is tanking right now! By the end of [insert current year here], prices will be down by 30 percent! Homeowners, get out now while you still can!

If we had been saying those sorts of things then yeah, the “broken clock” analogy would make some sense. However, that’s not what we’ve been saying at all.

What we have been saying:

The housing market is overheated. A slowdown is coming, and not just to 5% appreciation. Home prices will most likely drop, quite possibly by a significant amount. It might not happen tomorrow, but it will happen.

If we are right now, we were right two years ago. The only way broken clock type comments make any sense is if our perspective was unchanging and based on clichés and gut feelings. We’re not perma-bears here, we’re realists. When the market returns to sanity and healthy appreciation is on the horizon again, you’ll probably hear it here first. If anything is broken, it is the broken record of real estate agents that continue to claim the present market is not in trouble.

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Poll: What do you think of the Hope Now “mortgage freeze”?

By The Tim on December 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 AM · 9 Comments

Please vote in this poll using the sidebar.

What do you think of the Hope Now "mortgage freeze" (website)?

  • Great idea: helps homeowners in need. (2%, 4 Votes)
  • Terrible idea: rewards irresponsible decisions. (41%, 79 Votes)
  • Empty grandstanding unlikely to achieve much. (57%, 109 Votes)

Total Voters: 192


This poll will be active and displayed on the sidebar through 12.29.2007.

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