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Entries from April 30th, 2008

Evening Magazine on Tim Ellis & Seattle Bubble

By The Tim on April 30th, 2008 at 8:03 PM · 27 Comments

Are you a first-time reader that saw me (Tim Ellis) on KING 5 Evening Magazine this evening? If so, welcome to Seattle Bubble.

First let me say that while I am flattered that John Curley and Jim Dever referred to me as a “real estate guru,” that is not a title that I have ever or would ever give myself. As I said in the segment, “I’m just a guy doing all this research, and putting it out there for you to see as well.” I hope that you find this resource to be of use.

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Here are some recent stories that summarize what’s going on in today’s real estate market around Seattle:

For anyone that is interested but didn’t catch Evening Magazine tonight, you can view the video on the KING 5 website, or right here (if you don’t mind YouTube’s lousy quality).

Update: Sweet, you can view a much higher-quality version on YouTube itself (but I can’t embed it).

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Case-Shiller Tiers: Three Tiers, One Decline

By The Tim on April 30th, 2008 at 9:09 AM · 29 Comments

Here’s our monthly look at Seattle’s price tiers from Case-Shiller. Remember that Case-Shiller data is based on single-family homes only, no condos or townhomes, and that Case-Shiller’s definition of the “Seattle area” is King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties. For anyone wondering how the tiers are chosen, check out last month’s post.

Now here come the graphs. First up is the straight graph of the index from January 2000 through February 2008.

Case-Shiller Tiered Index - Seattle
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The low tier looks like it’s having the steepest drop from the peak, but the difference is very slight. Right now all three tiers are falling more or less together.

Here’s a chart of the year-over-year change in the index from June 2002 through January 2008 (I selected that date range to match the time-shifted graph in the standard Case-Shiller posts).

Case-Shiller HPI - YOY Change in Seattle Tiers
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Even the high end tier has now dipped into negative YOY territory. Here’s where the YOY price change for the three tiers sit as of February – Low: -3.7%, Med: -3.5%, Hi: -1.1%.

Lastly, here’s a decline-from-peak graph like the one posted yesterday, but looking only at the Seattle tiers.

Case-Shiller: Decline from Peak - Seattle Tiers
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The drop in all three tapered off a bit last month. As things sit right now, the total decline from peak varies less than 1 percentage point across the three tiers, from a 7.1% drop for the low tier to a 6.5% drop for the high tier.

Not much else to say about this particular set of data. Right now I don’t see any really interesting or unexpected patterns emerging as price declines finally get rolling here in the Pacific Northwest.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 04.29.2008)

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King 5 Evening Magazine: Real Estate Week

By The Tim on April 29th, 2008 at 4:00 PM · 10 Comments

Just a quick note to let you know that King 5 Evening Magazine will be airing a series of segments this week under the banner “Real Estate ‘08,” which as you can guess, are all about the local real estate market. You can catch the segments on their website, or on TV from 7:00 to 7:30. Yesterday’s stories looked at building perks to try to lure you into condos (with a guest appearance from my least-favorite SPU profs), Zillow’s “Make Me Move” feature, and (I wish I were making this up), a “house-selling spiritualist.”

One of the segments later this week will feature me gabbing with co-host Jim Dever about Seattle Bubble and the local market. I’ll probably post that particular segment on here once it airs.

P.S. (If the King 5 website tries to get you to register to view any of the above links, just remove the “http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/membership/join.jsp?fw=” part from the address bar and try again.)

Update: I’ll be on tomorrow night. In the promo after tonight’s show they plugged my segment with the line “he’s the Seattle Real Estate guru who doesn’t even own a house!” That’s amusing to me, because I have never, nor would I ever refer to myself as a “real estate guru.”

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Case-Shiller: Seattle Prices Rewound to Summer ‘06

By The Tim on April 29th, 2008 at 7:00 AM · 52 Comments

Winter for Seattle home prices continued in February according to the latest data from the Case-Shiller Home Price Index.

Down 1.0% January to February.
Down 2.7% YOY.

The only people surprised by this data are the real estate agents that really believed it in 2006-2007 when they told people that it was “a great time to buy.” Home prices in Seattle have now declined a total of 6.5% from their July 2007 peak, and have retreated to roughly where they were in July 2006.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Seattle’s YOY drop continues to beat Portland, which saw a 2.0% drop in February.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast
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And here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities
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Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak
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Hey, we improved slightly from Miami’s crash course. Phew!

And just to help us visualize the drops better, I’m introducing a new chart this month. In this one, I’ll adjust the horizontal axis to go back just far enough to find the last time that Seattle’s HPI was as low as it is now. This gives us a clean visual of just how far back prices have retreated in terms of months.

Case-Shiller HPI: Seattle Price Reversion
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So far, we’ve turned the dial back a total of 19 months, to July 2006. Looking at that another way, in the 7 months since Seattle’s peak prices, 12 months of price gains have been wiped out.

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 04.29.2008)

Update: Here are the links to coverage at the Seattle Times and Seattle P-I.

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Raising Prices to Entice Buyers—wait, what?

By The Tim on April 28th, 2008 at 10:30 AM · 46 Comments

Here’s an interesting story that popped up over the weekend and had people emailing me and discussing it in the comments and forums. A downtown luxury condo building named Escala is having trouble moving the last 70 units (of 270, so roughly 25%), so to try and juice up their sales, they’re raising prices. Yes, you read that right: raising prices.

Developer Lexas Cos. said this week that on June 5 it will raise the asking prices 3 to 7 percent for about 70 unsold units that have been on the market since last spring.

Another 22 units that will be released for sale May 1 also will have higher price tags.

Lexas principals John Midby and Eric Midby said prices are going up partly to send a message to prospective buyers: If they’re waiting to buy until prices drop, they’re reading the local market wrong.

And they have until June 5.

“We look at the underlying fundamentals and see a different picture than those that have been scared off by the national trends,” John Midby said. “It doesn’t match the psychology that’s pervasive in the market, even in Seattle.”

Seattle’s economy is strong, he said. Housing prices here have held up fairly well while those in much of the rest of the country have plummeted.

Stupid? Arrogant? Crazy like a fox? Or perhaps… genius?

Even our allegedly unbiased friend Glenn Crellin at the Washington Center for Real Estate Research doesn’t see the logic in this move:

“We are trying to create value for our current buyers and take [potential buyers] off the fence,” Midby said of the price increases.

But Glenn Crellin, director of the Washington Center for Real Estate Research at Washington State University, suspects those are not the only reasons.

“It is surprising that they are increasing prices to that degree unless there’s something else going on,” he said.

Lexas may feel an urgent need to move units, Crellin said: “A developer has to sell them because the carrying costs on a project that size are enormous.”

High-end downtown condo projects are particularly vulnerable to the real-estate market’s slowdown, he said, because many prospective buyers who are looking to move downtown from big, expensive suburban homes are having more trouble selling those houses quickly.

Matt Goyer over at Urbnlivn has some additional analysis:

Here are the number of $500,000 to $5 mil condos sold over the past few years in downtown:

2005: 134
2006: 129
2007: 207
2008: 45 so far

Currently there are 189 units in that price range active on the MLS. There are certainly more than this because not all new construction inventory is in the MLS.

So it looks like downtown Seattle is track to sell about as many luxury condos as it did in ‘05 or ‘06, which would mean about 90 more this year. Apparently Escala thinks that pretty much all of those will be from them. Good luck with that.

On the other hand, an article in the Puget Sound Business Journal this weekend claims that the condo supply downtown is “expected to dry up.”

With 40 condominium projects in the pipeline for downtown Seattle one might expect a glut of new units on the market. But tight-fisted lenders and hesitant buyers, both reacting to the nationwide credit crunch, have severely hobbled the once high-stepping market.

The pace of development has slowed so sharply that local experts predict a shortage in 2010 that could drive prices up. One consultant forecasts delivery of just 189 new units that year — down from an average of 1,100 anticipated in each of the prior three years.

Behind the prediction: No new condo project has broken ground downtown since the last two buildings — 275-unit Escala and 204-unit Equinox — got under way last summer, said the consultant, Dean Jones, president of Realogics Inc., a Seattle-based condo research and marketing firm.

Since it can take as long as two years to build a high-rise condominium tower, the dearth of new construction is pushing delivery into 2011 — assuming those projects, which represent more than half of the 40 in the pipeline, can find financing.

So it looks like that nifty rendering of Seattle’s 2010 skyline might be a bit off. So are the developers at Escala on to something, or off their rockers? I suppose by the end of the year we’ll know.

(Eric Pryne, Seattle Times, 04.26.2008)
(Matt Goyer, Urbnlivn, 04.27.2008)
(Jeanne Lang Jones & Kirsten Grind, Puget Sound Business Journal, 04.25.2008)

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Poll: What’s your favorite pet?

By The Tim on April 28th, 2008 at 6:01 AM · 16 Comments

Please vote in this poll using the sidebar.

What's your favorite pet?

  • Dog (45%, 112 Votes)
  • Cat (41%, 103 Votes)
  • Bird (1%, 3 Votes)
  • Fish (1%, 3 Votes)
  • Rodent (1%, 2 Votes)
  • Reptile / Ferret / Chinchilla / other exotic (2%, 4 Votes)
  • I don't befriend animals (9%, 24 Votes)

Total Voters: 251


This poll will be active and displayed on the sidebar through 05.03.2008.

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