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Entries from January 30th, 2009

Sell at a loss, or refinance and wait it out?

By The Tim on January 30th, 2009 at 9:14 AM · 167 Comments

Charts and graphs are all well and good, but once in a while it’s good to look at some of the more personal effects of the housing bubble. Today let’s take a look at a possible scenario that some hopeful home sellers today might be facing. Next Friday, we’ll turn our attention to home buyers. (Update: Make that Monday)

Let’s consider a hypothetical couple—we’ll call them Joe and Linda. The year is 2005, and the mid-20s pair buy a quaint little 2-bedroom, 1-bathroom, 1,100 square foot Victorian charmer in Snohomish for $245,000. A perfect home for the young family of two.

Not wanting to blow their entire savings on a down payment, they finance the home in the same way many others did during the bubble, with an 80/20 pair of loans. They sign up for a $196,000 30-year adjustable rate mortgage (fixed through 2010) and a $49,000 15-year second with a balloon payment in 2020. All together, their monthly principal plus interest payment comes in at around $1,400—an obligation they can afford on Joe’s professional salary.

For the past four years, they have been dutifully paying their mortgage on time every month, fixing up the house, and generally enjoying life. Of course, they knew that the days of a fixed $1,400 payment were numbered, but this is just a “starter home” anyway, and if for some reason they don’t move within five years, their loan officer assured them that it would be no problem to refinance.

Now it’s 2009, Joe and Linda are nearly 30, and with a young son, another on the way, and their fixed rate set to expire in just over a year, they a have naturally begun to think about moving up the “property ladder.” Unfortunately, that’s where the problems begin.

Joe and Linda start to look around at recent comparable sales in their neighborhood, and they realize that best case, they might be able to find a buyer that would pay $250,000 for their home. After agent fees and excise taxes, such a sale would leave them with about $228,000.

Since Joe and Linda still owe over $230,000 on their mortgages, they realize that selling their home will actually cost them a few thousand dollars—or more, if they can’t find a buyer at $250,000.

At this point, Joe and Linda could refinance into a new 30-year fixed-rate mortgage and wait for better times to try to sell, or they could bite the bullet, sell the home at a loss, and take their pick of a growing supply of two and three bedroom homes for rent in the general area for as little as $900 a month.

So what should they do? If I knew a couple like Joe and Linda, I would recommend they sit down together and decide whether they can be happy living in their home for another ten years.

If the answer is no, and if they can afford to, they should probably do whatever it takes to sell ASAP. Sure, they may have to come to the table with a few thousand dollars, but when they find a decent place to rent for a few years while the market continues to cool, they will easily make the money back in monthly savings, and they will avoid taking an even larger loss down the road.

If the answer is yes, then by all means, refinance into a nice safe fixed-rate loan and get comfortable. Thankfully, Joe’s job has not been in serious jeopardy, so getting a new loan should be relatively straightforward.

The reality of today’s housing market is that we are not going to see a quick rebound. Things are going to continue to get worse before they get better, and when we do finally hit the bottom, the market will likely languish there for some time. If you think “waiting the market out” means trying again in 2010, you are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise, especially for the more rural markets further away from the “job centers.”

So what advice would you give to Joe and Linda? What’s the most realistic and prudent way for a homeowner to make the best of a situation like this?

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MSNBC on Super Special Seattle

By The Tim on January 29th, 2009 at 6:05 PM · 56 Comments

Thanks to reader DaveyDave for sending me this MSNBC news clip that aired today:


It’s starting to look like we may be special after all… just not the way some folks imagined.

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Q4 Issue of Sound Housing Quarterly Available Now

By The Tim on January 29th, 2009 at 6:00 AM · 13 Comments

FYI: The latest edition of Sound Housing Quarterly has been published.

Sound Housing Quarterly is a subscription-based journal of the Puget Sound residential real estate market. If you or someone you know would benefit from a view on the housing market that provides accessibility, broad geographic coverage, and all the latest information condensed into a single package, head over to the website at HousingQuarterly.com to download a free preview of the current issue and to learn more about what Sound Housing Quarterly is and how to subscribe.

If you are involved in the Puget Sound housing market in any way, as a home buyer, a home seller, a real estate agent, or a real estate investor—Sound Housing Quarterly is written with you in mind.

This 40-page publication provides an overview of the variety of factors affecting the Puget Sound housing market, as well as a detailed look at county-by-county conditions, and a look at where the market is headed in the coming months.

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Regarding Boeing

By The Tim on January 28th, 2009 at 11:40 AM · 57 Comments

Here’s an unfortunate juxtaposition of headlines from today’s Everett Herald:

Economy hinges on Boeing, Snohomish County Executive Aaron Reardon says

Snohomish County’s best hope for weathering the economic crisis is to make sure the Boeing Co. keeps production of the 787 Dreamliner jet in south Everett, County Executive Aaron Reardon said on Tuesday.

Boeing predicts 10,000 total job cuts, reports $56 million loss

The Boeing Co. will lay off a total of 10,000 workers in response to challenging economic times, the company said Wednesday while reporting its quarterly earnings.

Boeing also reduced its net orders for its delayed 787 Dreamliner from 910 to 895. McNerney said he expects a “modest churn” of orders and cancellations for the jet this year.

Note that the 10,000 is a total that includes the 4,500 announced a few weeks ago.

(Noah Haglund & Krista J. Kapralos, Everett Herald, 01.28.2009)
(Herald staff, Everett Herald, 01.28.2009)

Update: Sheesh, as long as we’re on the subject of layoffs… Starbucks will cut 6,000 jobs, close 300 more stores

Starbucks will cut 6,000 positions worldwide over the next eight months, including about 700 non-store workers by mid-February.

The immediate cuts will include about 350 people at its headquarters.

(Melissa Allison, Seattle Times, 01.28.2009)

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Case-Shiller Tiers: Prices Break Back into 2005

By The Tim on January 28th, 2009 at 10:40 AM · 29 Comments

Let’s check out the three price tiers for the Seattle area, as measured by Case-Shiller. Remember, Case-Shiller’s “Seattle” data is based on single-family home repeat sales in King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties.

First up is the straight graph of the index from January 2000 through November 2008.

Case-Shiller Tiered Index - Seattle

Price declines were sharper in November in all three tiers, with the low tier taking the largest hit—3.1% in a month. The low and middle tiers have now rewound to December 2005, and the high tier to February 2006.

Here’s a chart of the year-over-year change in the index from January 2003 through November 2008.

Case-Shiller HPI - YOY Change in Seattle Tiers

The low tier continues to hold the title for largest YOY declines. The high tier also dropped under 10% YOY for the first time in November. Here’s where the tiers sit YOY as of November – Low: -12.7%, Med: -11.2%, Hi: -10.3%.

Lastly, here’s a decline-from-peak graph like the one posted yesterday, but looking only at the Seattle tiers.

Case-Shiller: Decline from Peak - Seattle Tiers

All three tiers continue to drop at roughly the same rate from their respective peaks.

If price declines continue at the same speed they have averaged over the last six months, over the next year prices in Seattle will rewind back to early 2005. Of course, the chance that price declines will continue at the same speed rather than continuing to accelerate further seems somewhat unlikely at this point.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 01.27.2009)

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Case-Shiller: Seattle Price Drops Continue to Accelerate

By The Tim on January 27th, 2009 at 6:17 AM · 118 Comments

It’s time once again for our monthly update to the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to November data,

Down 2.5% October to November.
Down 11.2% YOY.
Down 13.6% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices fell 1.4% from October to November and year-over-year prices were up 1.8%.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. After outperforming Seattle for 11 months, Portland finally turned in a larger YOY drop in November. It is definitely also worth noting that the YOY declines appear to be turning a corner in SoCal, with price drops coming in slightly less negative than the previous month.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In November, six of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (one fewer than in October). Dallas at -3.3%, Denver at -4.3%, Cleveland at -5.2, Charlotte at -5.3%, Boston at -7.4%, and New York at -8.4%. Phoenix took the largest year-over-year drop yet again, with prices falling just short of 33% in a single year.

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the fifteen months since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined approximately 13.6%. Surprisingly, Seattle’s decline has tracked fairly closely to the pattern of price drops in Phoenix for a good seven months now. Eventually this is likely to moderate, unless the local economic news continues to get exceedingly worse.

Here’s the “rewind” chart. The horizontal range is selected to go back just far enough to find the last time that Seattle’s HPI was as low as it is now. This gives us a clean visual of just how far back prices have retreated in terms of months.

Case-Shiller HPI: Seattle Price Reversion

Seattle’s Case-Shiller value for November 2008 of 166.23 came in just above its January 2006 value of 165.49. Prices have now “rewound” just one month shy of a full three years.

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 01.27.2009)

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