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Raising Prices to Entice Buyers—wait, what?

By The Tim on April 28th, 2008 at 10:30 AM · 46 Comments

Here’s an interesting story that popped up over the weekend and had people emailing me and discussing it in the comments and forums. A downtown luxury condo building named Escala is having trouble moving the last 70 units (of 270, so roughly 25%), so to try and juice up their sales, they’re raising prices. Yes, you read that right: raising prices.

Developer Lexas Cos. said this week that on June 5 it will raise the asking prices 3 to 7 percent for about 70 unsold units that have been on the market since last spring.

Another 22 units that will be released for sale May 1 also will have higher price tags.

Lexas principals John Midby and Eric Midby said prices are going up partly to send a message to prospective buyers: If they’re waiting to buy until prices drop, they’re reading the local market wrong.

And they have until June 5.

“We look at the underlying fundamentals and see a different picture than those that have been scared off by the national trends,” John Midby said. “It doesn’t match the psychology that’s pervasive in the market, even in Seattle.”

Seattle’s economy is strong, he said. Housing prices here have held up fairly well while those in much of the rest of the country have plummeted.

Stupid? Arrogant? Crazy like a fox? Or perhaps… genius?

Even our allegedly unbiased friend Glenn Crellin at the Washington Center for Real Estate Research doesn’t see the logic in this move:

“We are trying to create value for our current buyers and take [potential buyers] off the fence,” Midby said of the price increases.

But Glenn Crellin, director of the Washington Center for Real Estate Research at Washington State University, suspects those are not the only reasons.

“It is surprising that they are increasing prices to that degree unless there’s something else going on,” he said.

Lexas may feel an urgent need to move units, Crellin said: “A developer has to sell them because the carrying costs on a project that size are enormous.”

High-end downtown condo projects are particularly vulnerable to the real-estate market’s slowdown, he said, because many prospective buyers who are looking to move downtown from big, expensive suburban homes are having more trouble selling those houses quickly.

Matt Goyer over at Urbnlivn has some additional analysis:

Here are the number of $500,000 to $5 mil condos sold over the past few years in downtown:

2005: 134
2006: 129
2007: 207
2008: 45 so far

Currently there are 189 units in that price range active on the MLS. There are certainly more than this because not all new construction inventory is in the MLS.

So it looks like downtown Seattle is track to sell about as many luxury condos as it did in ‘05 or ‘06, which would mean about 90 more this year. Apparently Escala thinks that pretty much all of those will be from them. Good luck with that.

On the other hand, an article in the Puget Sound Business Journal this weekend claims that the condo supply downtown is “expected to dry up.”

With 40 condominium projects in the pipeline for downtown Seattle one might expect a glut of new units on the market. But tight-fisted lenders and hesitant buyers, both reacting to the nationwide credit crunch, have severely hobbled the once high-stepping market.

The pace of development has slowed so sharply that local experts predict a shortage in 2010 that could drive prices up. One consultant forecasts delivery of just 189 new units that year — down from an average of 1,100 anticipated in each of the prior three years.

Behind the prediction: No new condo project has broken ground downtown since the last two buildings — 275-unit Escala and 204-unit Equinox — got under way last summer, said the consultant, Dean Jones, president of Realogics Inc., a Seattle-based condo research and marketing firm.

Since it can take as long as two years to build a high-rise condominium tower, the dearth of new construction is pushing delivery into 2011 — assuming those projects, which represent more than half of the 40 in the pipeline, can find financing.

So it looks like that nifty rendering of Seattle’s 2010 skyline might be a bit off. So are the developers at Escala on to something, or off their rockers? I suppose by the end of the year we’ll know.

(Eric Pryne, Seattle Times, 04.26.2008)
(Matt Goyer, Urbnlivn, 04.27.2008)
(Jeanne Lang Jones & Kirsten Grind, Puget Sound Business Journal, 04.25.2008)

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Vulcan Ridiculous @ 2200

By synthetik on April 14th, 2007 at 5:44 PM · 10 Comments

Ah, the joys condodebtorship.

When Jerry O’Leary, 54 and retired, put down over $100,000 dollars toward a new million-dollar condominium in February 2005, he thought he was buying his way into an innovative downtown lifestyle proposed by Vulcan Inc. Vulcan Real Estate’s $200 million 2200 project on two and a half acres at Westlake Avenue…

However, on March 26, 2007 O’Leary filed suit…after a series of delays and construction disputes left him with a condo that…was “substantially [different] from the scope, nature, and extent of the project as it was described”…O’Leary recounts, “The quality, as promised, sounded great.” Instead, he describes the building to The Stranger as “basically a Motel 6.

Oh, snap!

…some of the problems include irreparably damaged door and window frames; a poured concrete deck that sloped toward his apartment, causing leaks in the unit below; mounting construction delays; and unmet expectations. …O’Leary is not the only person to encounter problems with 2200.

…tenants have dealt with minor annoyances such as low water pressure and leaky shower doors and pipes, as well as major design flaws like incorrectly positioned halogen lights that threatened to ignite kitchen cabinets. The problems were compounded, they say, by promises of room service from in-house restaurant Marazul, a rooftop “garden”—which according to a third resident is nothing more than “a big cement area with a couple of trees stuck in it,”

As of press time, several real-estate websites list 38 condos being resold in the building, and Craigslist reveals at least a dozen units available for rent or sale. … according to John L. Scott Real Estate agent Ben Kakimoto, the number of units being flipped by investors “seem[s] like a lot” when compared to other condo projects of similar scope. Some of these units have sat unsold for months, with several of the pricier units remaining on the market even after $100,000-plus price reductions.

While Vulcan would not release information on its vacancy rate, anecdotal evidence hints that 2200 currently isn’t the bustling urban utopia it was supposed to be. Resident Chris Tanaka notes that he “never see[s] that many people” in the buildings, and Dierst remarks that “the building is not full.”

Matt Goyer, the operator of Seattle condo blog Urbnlivn and a program manager at real-estate website Redfin…believes the problem is oversaturation. “It feels like they’re overbuilding in the higher-end market…. Goyer faults vacancies at 2200 to “people trying to make a fast buck. A lot of [these] people [have] unreasonable expectations.”

Huh? What’s so unrealistic about purchasing overpriced downtown condos during the peak of the greatest real estate asset bubble in history and expecting to flip them for an easy buck?

…units [at 2200] for sale have seen price reductions ranging from $1,000 to $175,000. And one seller is even throwing in a 42-inch flat-screen TV to sweeten the deal.

Is that 1080i or 1080p?

Addressing the O’Leary lawsuit, Jeffries states, “I don’t know why Mr. O’Leary feels like that’s something he needed to go to the media about.” She would not respond to anonymous complaints about the development (nor did she return several calls after a few residents put their names by the complaints). “We’re doing everything we can to take care of our homeowners. The vast majority of people at 2200 are really happy,” she originally told us. We asked Vulcan to put us in touch with some of those tenants, they did not respond to the request.

On a recent Saturday night, as 2200’s three concrete and glass towers loomed in the night—the downtown skyline to the southwest…many of the windows were dark, save for the glow of several flat-screen TVs large enough to be viewed from the street.

During 2005 in downtown San Diego, I noticed much the same. At the time I just assumed that everyone was simply still working at 10pm each night, desperately trying to make their $4500 mortgage payments.

When I am ready to purchase my next house after the crash, it certainly won’t be a condo. I probably won’t buy anything made after 2000 as they’ve likely been built of balsa wood and bailing wire.

While it’s difficult to tell if Seattle will be hurt as badly as other bubbly areas such as San Diego (and this is only the beginning), it certainly won’t be pretty. Be patient – a sixteen year speculative bull market in housing doesn’t land quickly – and certainly not “softly”.

As they like to say on HB, “got popcorn?”

(Jonah Spangethal-Lee,The Stranger, 04.12.2007)

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"Re-Sales Galore" in Local Condo Projects

By The Tim on April 5th, 2007 at 7:41 AM · 19 Comments

Local condo enthusiast Matt made an interesting observation in a post on Urbnlivn Tuesday. Apparently in many of the recently-opened Seattle condo projects there are, in Matt’s words, “re-sales galore.” 33 units at 2200, 19 at Cosmo, and 5 (of 48) at Meritage. Plus, anyone who bothers to spend a little time searching on Craigslist can see quite a few more units in these projects up for rent.

I thought that all these projects had “strict limits” requiring that units be owner-occupied, which would supposedly eliminate flipping. It would appear that these rules are being disregarded.

So much for all the alleged protections against speculation in the local condo market…

(Matt Goyer, Urbnlivn, 04.03.2007)

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Buy A Downtown Condo RIGHT NOW!

By The Tim on February 12th, 2007 at 12:46 PM · 15 Comments

Many of you pointed out the latest in a series of paid advertisements masquerading as reporting in yesterday’s Seattle Times. The apparent purpose of the “article” was to convince the reader that 2007 is a great year to buy a condo in downtown Seattle, at any cost.

[Condo developer David] Thyer insists that Seattle isn’t like other cities, where developers are struggling with an oversupply of new condos. There’s a demand for condos in downtown Seattle, he says, drawing a contrast with the speculative buying frenzy that has led to a boom-bust scenario elsewhere in the country.

On Friday, political and business leaders met over breakfast at the Westin Hotel for an annual review of downtown Seattle. Real-estate economist Matthew Gardner shared Thyer’s optimism, telling an audience of about 700 that demand for new places to live downtown will remain “very positive.”

Developers say the new condos will sell, but will they sell at the prices developers want?

In Miami and Las Vegas, developers have had to drop their prices after condos outnumbered buyers.

Part of the problem is that many buyers regarded their new condos as investments and had no intention of living in them.

[Dean] Jones [president of Realogics, a local condo-marketing firm] estimates that speculators accounted for 30 percent or more of all new condo purchases in Miami and Las Vegas, compared with “no more than 15 percent” in Seattle. Now, developers require buyers to disclose if they intend to live in their new condos in an effort to limit speculators, Jones said.

Ada Healey, a vice president at Vulcan Real Estate, said speculators represent a “very modest minority” of its buyers. Thyer, president of R.C. Hedreen, said he tries to limit speculators to no more than 5 percent.

[Seattle real-estate agent Brett] Frosaker counts at least four projects where a significant portion of the condos sell for $1 million or more. Never before, he says, has downtown seen so many ultra-expensive condos come online at the same time.

“A lot of research shows there’s a market for them,” he said. “But it hasn’t been proven yet.”

So, a bunch of condo developers, condo marketers, and real estate agents all say that “it’s different here.” What a shock. And what evidence, pray tell, do they have to support that assertion? Estimates, intentions, efforts, and (I’m just guessing on this one) a sprinkle of pixie dust.

Matt Goyer, proprietor of the local condo enthusiast blog Urbnlivn also had some critical thoughts about this article that are well worth reading. Considering that he is already a condo believer, it is commendable that he takes these cheerleading articles with such a large grain of salt. Kudos, Matt.

(Amy Martinez, Seattle Times, 02.11.2007)
(Matt Goyer, Urbnlivn, 02.11.2007)

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