Weekly Open Thread (2014-11-10)

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About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.

38 comments:

  1. 1
    pfft says:

    FIRST!

  2. 2

    Get ready for the freeze tonight. Time to remove hoses from exterior faucets (if you haven’t done so already).

  3. 3
    Blurtman says:

    Surely Patty Murray should be enraged that banks killed US servicemen in Iraq by funding terrorism. I mean, that’s her whole schtick, isn’t it? So she should be outraged that Loretta Lynch is Obama’s nomination for AG. Lynch let these murderers off the hook with wrist-slap settlements.

    Patty, are you a full of hot air fraud?

    “Yesterday a group consisting mainly of “American service members or family members of soldiers killed in Iraq” filed a lawsuit in Brooklyn that accuses some of the biggest banks in the world of financing terrorism. As DealBook reported, the lawsuit cites “more than 50 attacks on American citizens stationed or working in Iraq during the war… accus[ing] the banks of helping to finance the violent activities through their ties to Iran.”

    For HSBC, one of the five banks named in the suit (Barclays, Standard Chartered, the Royal Bank of Scotland, and Credit Suisse were the others), the lawsuit follows a settlement with the Justice Department in 2012 that resulted in a $1.9 billion fine.”

    http://observer.com/2014/11/obama-pick-for-ag-let-hsbc-off-the-hook/

  4. 4

    I’m apparently right on the edge of the south end power outages. We only had two ten second outages–one at about 8:00 p.m. and one at about 7:00 a.m. I’m assuming those are some sort of automated system response to power irregularities, such as surges and such.

  5. 5

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 4

    Thank Goodness for My Propane Riches Stove

    I bled the lines and got the pilot light eventually lit about midnight [thank God I slept early yesterday] when I woke up to a dark 64 degree home, unhooked my alarm system battery ground to keep it from destroying the $50 rechargeable battery, and learned to shave in the dark….LOL

    My house is cozy warm, I imagine my neighbors woke up to 45 degree frozen cold walks to the dark bathroom. When it gets that cold in the house, you need a face cover with a breathing hole to sleep too.

  6. 6

    Here’s PSE’s outage map. Still 60,000 without power after having restored over 100,000. Lots of them in my area started fairly recently, like around 5:00 a.m.

  7. 7
    pfft says:

    Good job voters.

    Seven Times Joni Ernst Showed Her True Wingnut Self
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/joni-ernst-wingnut-list

    lol.

    It looks like the Democrats will get to run against the Ryan budget again in 2016.

  8. 8
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ 7 – She made a shameless appeal to her base: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8

  9. 9
    pfft says:

    I guess the Republicans are going to try to repeal Obamacare after winning an election in which only Republican voters turned out. They try to repeal Obamacare when they win. They try to repeal Obamacare when they lose.
    I wish the Democrats had an ounce of their zeal sometimes. When Democrats have a strong message, belief and show up to vote they win. It’s not really that close. Al Gore ran a “I am not popular President Bill Clinton” campaign and he still won and popular vote but lost the election 5-4.

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  11. 11

    The idea that Obamacare never would have passed as a government program, requiring a tax equivalent to the required premiums of the individual mandate, is finally getting some traction.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2014/11/13/abc-and-nbc-censor-obamacare-architect-calling-american-voters

    And yes, it also shows the bias of the American news media. I am surprised NBC hasn’t covered the story–they’ve been pretty hard on Obama lately.

  12. 12
    pfft says:

    Banking CEO indicted. Just kidding.

    BREAKING: West Virginia Coal Boss Indicted
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/11/13/3592332/west-virginia-coal-boss-indicted/

  13. 13

    I’m going to make a prediction!

    Obama will sign an executive order on immigration, despite being warned even by Democrats that it’s an incredibly stupid thing to do.

    Republicans will react.

    pfft will blame the Republicans.

    But hey, it’s important. So important that Obama did nothing about it during his first two years in office when the Democrats controlled both houses.

  14. 14
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 13:

    I’m going to make a prediction!

    Obama will sign an executive order on immigration, despite being warned even by Democrats that it’s an incredibly stupid thing to do.

    Republicans will react.

    pfft will blame the Republicans.

    But hey, it’s important. So important that Obama did nothing about it during his first two years in office when the Democrats controlled both houses.

    as you say mary, you have a bad memory. the democrats didn’t control both house for two years. scott brown was elected and the democrats dropped down to 59 streets. if you remember it now takes 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate because of the republicans historic obstruction.

    the republicans don’t want to do anything on immigration. they are against amnesty. they want deportation and self-deportation. they want to send back woman and children fleeing incredible violence in their homeland.

    “Obama will sign an executive order on immigration, despite being warned even by Democrats that it’s an incredibly stupid thing to do.”

    do you have a source for this? Obama will get a lot of support from elected democrats and the base. in fact the majority of americans favor immigration reform.

    “pfft will blame the Republicans.”

    obama said any new bill passed with the help of republicans will override his executive order. he just said that last week. is you memory really that bad mary? LOL.

    In an interview on CBS’ Face The Nation, Obama said immigration policy needs to be changed, but added that congressional Republicans can always override his executive orders by passing a comprehensive immigration bill.

    Obama, GOP brace for political war on immigration
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/11/09/obama-john-barrasso-immigration-cbs-face-the-nation-loretta-lynch-ted-cruz-mike-lee/18760293/

    If republicans wanted immigration so bad why didn’t they pass it during 8 years of Cheney’s presidency? remember in 2005 they tried to pass it and republicans stopped it.

  15. 15
    pfft says:

    It’s really sad that Democrats are going to vote on Keystone just to save a Senate seat. talk about profiles in courage.

  16. 16

    RE: pfft @ 14 – By control I was just thinking of over 50%, or do you not thinking that the Republicans gained “control” of the Senate this election? And in any case, they got Obamacare through during that period.

    It just shows how little Obama understands. He should have pushed immigration reform at a point in time when the economy was weak. There was relatively little flow into the country at that point, and possibly even a net outflow, so that would have helped employment at the time. Instead he pushed Obamacare, which hindered employment during one of the worst recessions of all times.

  17. 17
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 16:

    RE: pfft @ 14 – By control I was just thinking of over 50%, or do you not thinking that the Republicans gained “control” of the Senate this election? And in any case, they got Obamacare through during that period.

    ahem. do you know how they did it? reconciliation. because scott brown would have been enough to filibuster.

    “It just shows how little Obama understands.”

    He was just too busy saving the economy. he passed the stimulus, obamacare and almost got a climate change bill.

    “Instead he pushed Obamacare, which hindered employment during one of the worst recessions of all times.”

    source please. do you know that if it lowers healthcare costs obamacare will be a job creator?

    there is no evidence that Romneycare cost jobs.

    Will Obamacare Kill Jobs? A New Study Says No
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/06/11/will-obamacare-kill-jobs-a-new-study-says-no/

  18. 18

    Obamacare created a lot of uncertainty for employers as to future costs. That’s what hurt employment. And in any case, the cost savings have just been transfers from government paying things to other parties paying things. Costs have not gone down for employers.

    But hey, ignore my main point. What do you think I meant when I said “control?” Did all the news agencies get it wrong when they reported the Republicans took control of the Senate?

  19. 19
    pfft says:

    how come nobody posts sources? I always have to ask for sources. I don’t know if you guys make stuff up, get your information from chain emails or from god knows where else. for just about any claim I can easily provide you a source because I’ve read it somewhere. where else would I get my information, because I think it’s probably true? because it’s something that sounds good?

  20. 20
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 18:

    Obamacare created a lot of uncertainty for employers as to future costs. That’s what hurt employment. And in any case, the cost savings have just been transfers from government paying things to other parties paying things. Costs have not gone down for employers.

    source please.

    kary, republicans are filibustering EVERYTHING. You need 60 votes(or did) to get just about anything passed. where ya been?

    Brown’s victory strips Democrats of the 60-seat Senate supermajority needed to overcome GOP filibusters against future Senate action on a broad range of White House priorities. Senate Democrats needed all 60 votes in their caucus to pass the health care bill, and the loss of one seat imperils generating that support again for a compromise measure worked out with the House.

    Brown wins Massachusetts Senate race
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/19/massachusetts.senate/

    Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_2010

  21. 21

    RE: pfft @ 20

    Assuming Obama Signs a Totally Unpopular Amnesty EO as a Lame Duck

    He knows it won’t be stopped because the dumb Republicans want to proceed to a long-term budget and if they do that they can’t stop the EO. Impeachment takes 2/3s of the Senate and they don’t have that…..Obama knows, so he doesn’t care about voter will….just his foreign/corporate lobbyists.

    The American voters have become ants for the open border big boots to stamp on…

  22. 22
    pfft says:

    By softwarengineer @ 21:

    RE: pfft @ 20

    Assuming Obama Signs a Totally Unpopular Amnesty EO as a Lame Duck

    people want immigration reform. it’s not unpopular. it’s popular.

  23. 23

    pfft, there’s no need to post a source when it’s something that is obvious. Newsflash, businesses plan. Newsflash, what Obamacare would do was largely unknown during the worst of the recession. Newsflash, you cannot plan for the unknown.

    But hey, go ahead and keep pretending that businesses liked Obamacare. That probably explains why in the states that allowed it they delayed implementing it a year by renewing their policies early.

  24. 24
    pfft says:

    Ladies and gentleman, one of your leaders to win the republican presidential nomination:

    Gov. Scott Walker: Refusing health care to low-income Americans helps them ‘live the American dream’
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/14/1344926/-Gov-Scott-Walker-Refusing-health-care-to-low-income-Americans-helps-them-live-the-American-dream#

    Meanwhile on earth:

    Harvard Study: States’ Medicaid expansion refusal will kill thousands
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/31/1270171/-Harvard-Study-States-Medicaid-expansion-refusal-will-kill-nbsp-thousands

  25. 25
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 23:

    pfft, there’s no need to post a source when it’s something that is obvious.

    no it’s isn’t. now please post a source or I will just conclude you are making things up. what about all the customers who now had healthcare certainty and could spend more money without worrying that healthcare bills could bankrupt them? also you forget that most business ALREADY offer healthcare through the employer mandate. LOL.

  26. 26

    Okay, now I am forgetting something. Is there an employer mandate outside of Obamacare? I’m talking about the employer mandate. What did you think I was referring to?

    But whatever, let’s get back to my original point. Obama is likely to do something stupid (an executive order on immigration), which will get a reaction out of the Republicans, which will get you to blame the Republicans for the situation that ensues. Or maybe it will be something else that is stupid, such as vetoing legislation on Keystone, in some sort of an absurd belief that failing to build that pipeline will keep that oil in the ground. Obama needs to realize that he is going to be dependent on Republicans the next two years to spend any money on anything. He really doesn’t need to be picking fights. He’s taking the Clinton playbook what to do after a midterm loss and turning it on its head. Not a good leader, not a good negotiator. And that’s why we’re still treading water on jobs practically six years into his presidency.

  27. 27
    Kary says:

    The timing of this news release after the elections is purely coincidental.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102188374#.

  28. 28
    pfft says:

    By Kary @ 27:

    The timing of this news release after the elections is purely coincidental.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102188374#.

    hack article.

    A Center for American Progress analysis of 2015 premium rates for the individual market in states with Federally-Facilitated Marketplaces shows that premiums will increase by an average of only 3.9 percent from 2014 to 2015.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/11/14/3592724/obamacare-premiums-to-increase-by-less-than-4-percent-on-average/

    face it, obamcare has been a wild success.

  29. 29
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: pfft @ 28 – I’d love it if my plan only went up 4%, which is about double the rate of inflation, BTW. I went to go browse alternate plans, but I couldn’t.

    Why?

    http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2014/11/15/washington-healthplanfinder-problems/19089677/

    Seriously pfft. Use Obamacare, then tell us how wonderful it is. I think your opinion may change.

  30. 30
    pfft says:

    By wreckingbull @ 29:

    RE: pfft @ 28 – I’d love it if my plan only went up 4%, which is about double the rate of inflation, BTW. I went to go browse alternate plans, but I couldn’t.

    Why?

    http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2014/11/15/washington-healthplanfinder-problems/19089677/

    Seriously pfft. Use Obamacare, then tell us how wonderful it is. I think your opinion may change.

    you mean use a website or actual insurance? People like having health insurance.

    More Than 70 Percent Of Americans Like Their Obamacare Plans
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/11/14/3592565/obamacare-plans-popular-gallup/

    Face it, Obamacare is a success. You guys are just haters. Tens of millions of Americans have health insurance now and many many more had their health insurance strengthened yet it’s still not good enough for the haters.

  31. 31
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: pfft @ 30 – How many of these people have actually *used* their plans? Not many. Most of them will have a rude awakening. How many of these people are getting free or subsidized healthcare? About 75%of them. Given these two facts, I would have expected a higher satisfication rate than 70%.

    I know it is a difficult concept for you to understand, and you prefer to just call people names, but I will say it again. If expanded Medicaid is what we wanted, this could have been done without destroying the system for the rest of us who actually pay for insurance. Instead, your cult of personality wanted to give a massive gift to the insurance companies, which he did marvelously.

  32. 32

    RE: pfft @ 28 – I love how pfft describes an article reporting what the Obama Administration said as being a “hack article.” Way to kill the messenger! It’s the Obama Administration saying that. But hey, let’s rely on the Center for American Progress study, which is a liberal group.

    How about this one: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/10/23/now-there-can-be-no-doubt-obamacare-will-increase-non-group-premiums-in-nearly-all-states/

    There it’s reported that the non-partisan National Bureau of Economic Research determined that non-group policies went up an average of about 24% in 2014 because of Obamacare. There’s a chart in there showing Washington at about that rate of increase.

    As to Medicaid, the states that fell for the Obamacare scam are really going to be paying for it when the feds cut off their funding. Unfortunately Washington is one of those states.

  33. 33

    By wreckingbull @ 31:

    I know it is a difficult concept for you to understand, and you prefer to just call people names, but I will say it again. If expanded Medicaid is what we wanted, this could have been done without destroying the system for the rest of us who actually pay for insurance. .

    That’s not a difficult concept for pfft to understand, it’s an impossible concept for him to understand. Apparently in pfft’s world enacting legislation applicable only to Medicaid is the only power the Obama doesn’t have.

  34. 34
    pfft says:

    By wreckingbull @ 31:

    RE: pfft @ 30 – How many of these people have actually *used* their plans? Not many. Most of them will have a rude awakening. How many of these people are getting free or subsidized healthcare? About 75%of them. Given these two facts, I would have expected a higher satisfication rate than 70%.

    I know it is a difficult concept for you to understand, and you prefer to just call people names, but I will say it again. If expanded Medicaid is what we wanted, this could have been done without destroying the system for the rest of us who actually pay for insurance. Instead, your cult of personality wanted to give a massive gift to the insurance companies, which he did marvelously.

    you couldn’t be more wrong!

    “If expanded Medicaid is what we wanted”

    we wanted a system that covers as many people as possible.

    Obamacare has covered tens of millions and strengthened insurance for all. stop hatin! this is a great accomplishment.

  35. 35

    RE: pfft @ 34 – 10.3 million is not tens of millions, and it only dropped the uninsured from about 18% to about 13%, and much of the was Medicaid.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/12/who-is-still-uninsured-under-obamacare-and-why/

    But on the topic of things you don’t know about medical coverage, you never did explain what employer mandate there is outside of Obamacare. Posts 25 and 26.

    But in any case, ignorance and misinformation is the only reason to support Obamacare. You’ve proven that!

  36. 36
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 35:

    RE: pfft @ 34 – 10.3 million is not tens of millions, and it only dropped the uninsured from about 18% to about 13%, and much of the was Medicaid.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/12/who-is-still-uninsured-under-obamacare-and-why/

    But on the topic of things you don’t know about medical coverage, you never did explain what employer mandate there is outside of Obamacare. Posts 25 and 26.

    But in any case, ignorance and misinformation is the only reason to support Obamacare. You’ve proven that!

    “10.3 million is not tens of millions, and it only dropped the uninsured from about 18% to about 13%, and much of the was Medicaid.”

    no, I believe the final count was between 18-26 million gained health insurance not to mention the benefits to all those who already have insurance plus those that have insurance now but would or could have lost it.

    “But on the topic of things you don’t know about medical coverage, you never did explain what employer mandate there is outside of Obamacare.”

    umm…the employer mandate that we’ve had for decades?

    Obamacare has been a wild success but you guys don’t want to admit it. you guys are just haters.

  37. 37
    pfft says:

    I am sorry the number is 28 million.

    http://acasignups.net

  38. 38
    pfft says:

    I forgot to post that millions more would be covered if republicans would expand medicaid.

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