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Checking Up on the “Forced Savings Plan” Myth

By The Tim on August 31st, 2009 at 6:00 AM · 101 Comments

Please consider the following excerpt from a post I wrote that was originally published on the personal finance blog Get Rich Slowly (and later here):

…if home buying is like a savings plan, it’s probably the worst savings plan on Earth. Would you voluntarily sign up for a savings plan where well over half of the money you deposit in the first 20 years simply vanishes, and from which you can only withdraw money by relocating and paying a 6-9% fee (not on the amount you have “saved” mind you, but on the total sale price of the home)? Of course not. That doesn’t sound anything like a savings plan.

If your goal is to build wealth, you will be much better off investing your money in the stock market than buying a home.

In the post, I described a pair of examples using real-world homes that I had located on both the rental and for sale markets at the time: comparable 3-bed, 2.5-bath, 1,800 sqft houses in nearby neighborhoods in the Kirkland / Juanita area. The rental was $1,495 a month, and the home for sale had an asking price of $425,000.

It just so happens that I wrote this post in July 2007, the peak month for Seattle home prices according to both the Case-Shiller home price index and the NWMLS King County SFH median. As such, I thought it might be instructive to run a little comparison of how things would have turned out for the hypothetical buyer and renter / stock investor described in the original post. With home prices off over 20% from their peak, and stocks down 34%, who would currently have more equity?

Following is a chart that shows the monthly equity in each scenario. Note that the buyer adds to their equity by paying $322-$367 in principal each month (it increases slightly each month), while the renter / stock investor increases their equity is assumed to be adding the $1,161-$964 (it decreases slightly due to rent increases) they are saving each month to their investment. The value of the home is based on Seattle’s Case-Shiller index, with a slight increase in value assumed for July and August. The value of the stock investment is based on the S&P 500 index, and rent increases are based on the “rent of primary residence” portion of the CPI for the Seattle area.

Peak Buyer Equity Comparison: $85,000 Down on a $425,000 House

As of the end of August, just over two years into their respective “investments,” our hypothetical homebuyer is left with $537, while the renter / stock investor currently has $84,690 in equity. Here’s a visual of the total amount of money each would have put into their respective investments, and the total amount they have lost in the crash:

Peak Buyer Equity Comparison: $85,000 Down on a $425,000 House

At 25%, the stock investor’s loss is nothing to sneeze at for sure, but it pales in comparison to the 99% loss suffered by the peak homebuyer. Ouch.

But what if we tweak the scenario slightly, in order to stack the deck as much as we can against the renter / stock buyer? Let’s say we set the start date to October 2007, the peak of the stock market, and only run the numbers through February 2009, the low point when stocks were over 50% off their peak. The stock buyer’s losses double to 50%, but as it turns out, the home buyer is still far worse off with a 93% loss.

Of course, the $85,000 down scenario isn’t really very realistic compared to what most people were really doing in 2007. Let’s modify the situation a bit into something more reflective of reality.

Instead of comparing 20% down on a $425,000 house, let’s say the hypothetical potential buyer and renter had just $8,750, which would be a 3.5% down payment on a $250,000 house. Again, to stack the deck against the renter / stock buyer in this scenario, we’ll assume they’re still paying $1,495 a month in rent, even though that would rent a far nicer house in 2007 than $250k would buy.

Here’s the equity matchup for our more realistic scenario:

Peak Buyer Equity Comparison: $8,750 Down on a $250,000 House

Wow. The homebuyer in this scenario presently has negative $39,847 in equity, while the stock buyer has $12,820. Take a look at the invested / lost chart:

Peak Buyer Equity Comparison: $8,750 Down on a $250,000 House

The homebuyer has lost 364% of what they have put in, vs. 22% for the stock buyer.

I think this is an appropriate time to repeat the point I quoted at the beginning of this post. If home buying is like a savings plan, it’s probably the worst savings plan on Earth.

When you actually look at the present equity situation for the people who jumped into the housing market near the peak, stretching their budgets to buy a house that they didn’t even intend to live in long-term, the current record foreclosures start to make some sense.

If you bought a house near the peak thinking that it would be a great “forced savings plan,” you would probably be pretty tempted to hand over the keys, walk away, get yourself into a nice affordable rental, and get yourself started on an actual savings plan—like actually saving money every month. And who could blame you, really.

P.S. – I should add that at this particular moment, I don’t think the stock market is a very good place to put your money. With a P/E ratio on the S&P 500 somewhere in the ballpark of 150, I think stocks are primed to drop back down in the not-too-distant future, possibly by a considerable amount. That’s not investment advice, just my personal opinion.

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Crash Comparisons: Job Losses & Dow Jones

By The Tim on February 11th, 2009 at 6:00 AM · 55 Comments

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi recently posted an alarming chart of job losses that has been making the rounds.

Job Losses in Recessions

What jumps out to me when I look at her chart is the fact that the y-axis shows raw number of jobs rather than a percentage loss, and therefore fails to account for the increased size of the job pool from one recession to the next. To give you an idea of how misleading this can be, just check out a chart comparing the current Dow Jones crash to the Great Depression, but in raw points rather than as a percentage:

Dow Jones Crashes

A reader requested that I post a graph similar to the Dow Jones percentage decline crash chart I have published on here a few times, but showing job losses as a percentage loss from the peak. Coincidentally, Calculated Risk posted that exact chart a few days ago. Here it is:

Job Losses in Post-WWII Recessions

The current rate of job losses is bad, but it doesn’t look quite as alarming when you compare it in a scaled chart.

While we’re at it, here’s an updated edition of the Dow Jones crash chart:

Dow Jones Crashes

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Stock Market Crash Historical Comparison Update

By The Tim on January 16th, 2009 at 11:47 AM · 56 Comments

I thought it would be interesting to post an update on the stock market crash graph that I first posted back in October.

In the chart below I have graphed the crashes of 1929, 1973, 1987, and 2001 alongside the current fall, with the peak points aligned near the left. Each crash is scaled on the y-axis to show the percent of the peak Dow Jones price.

Dow Jones Crashes

464 days into the crash, the current plunge still ranks second only to 1929. Back in October, we did drop for a brief time to a point lower than the lowest point on the green ’70s graph (45.1% off-peak), but we currently appear to be in a bit of a holding pattern at about 40% off peak.

On a related topic, I spotted this article from late last month that amused me: Market predictions proved to be tricky business

At a small, private event at the Metropolitan Grill in January, nine of the region’s brightest and most respected financial advisers gathered to sip fine wine, eat prime beef and forecast the financial future.

The date was Jan. 10. The Dow Jones industrial average was 12,853. And Washington Mutual was a pillar of the Seattle business scene.

With a quarter-century of such gatherings, the “Guess the Dow” luncheon at the Met has become an annual fat-cat Seattle tradition.

Consensus was that Starbucks Corp., Nordstrom Inc. and Microsoft Corp. stocks all would rise, the Dow would close above 14,000 and Hillary Clinton would be president.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Definitely not. And wrong.

This year’s “Guess the Dow” luncheon is today was yesterday. I haven’t heard what their predictions are for 2009, but I have a contact that is attending and will ask him this afternoon will try to find out. Let’s see if the Seattle Bubble readership can collectively beat the “region’s brightest and most respected financial advisers.”

Where will the Dow Jones close for 2009?

  • Below 6,000 (17%, 118 Votes)
  • 6,000 to < 7,000 (18%, 124 Votes)
  • 7,000 to < 8,000 (22%, 156 Votes)
  • 8,000 to < 9,000 (20%, 139 Votes)
  • 9,000 to < 10,000 (16%, 112 Votes)
  • Above 10,000 (7%, 55 Votes)

Total Voters: 704

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2008 Pop Quiz

By The Tim on January 1st, 2009 at 1:14 PM · 35 Comments

Pop quiz, hotshot. Let’s say you had $100,000 on January 1st 2008.

Which of the following “investment” methods took the largest loss in 2008:

  1. 20% down payment on a $500,000 SFH in King County.
  2. S&P 500 index fund.
  3. Cash under the mattress.

And the answer is… A!

According to the NWMLS, the median price of single-family homes in King County dropped 9.2% from January to November (the latest data available). When your $500,000 house lost 9.2% of its value you lost $45,978, or 46% of your $100,000 “investment.”

Had you put the money into an S&P 500 index fund, you would have lost $37,585, or 38% over the course of the year.

Also keep in mind that the loss for the home purchase is generously not taking into consideration all the money that was thrown away every month in mortgage interest. At January’s prevailing rate of 5.76%, that is another $22,900 down the drain.

Cash under the mattress wins as the safest investment of 2008. ;^)

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Comparing Past Market Crashes

By The Tim on October 24th, 2008 at 11:23 AM · 77 Comments

Since the stock market is all over the news again today, I thought it would be interesting to look at some past stock crashes and see how the current one compares.

In the chart below I have graphed the crashes of 1929, 1973, 1987, and 2001 alongside the current fall, with the peak points aligned near the left. Each crash is scaled on the y-axis to show the percent of the peak Dow Jones price.

Dow Jones Crashes
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Yesterday’s close was 380 days after the recent 2007 peak in the Dow. Here is the total drop 380 days after peak for each crash above:

1929: 38.6%
1973: 18.3%
1987: 24.2%
2001: 13.6%
2007: 38.6%

Will the current crash play out over the next two years more like 1987 or 1929?

Update: Updated the chart to reflect today’s close. The Dow has now fallen further in the current crash (40.8%) than it did in the same length of time from the peak in 1929 (39.9%).

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Congress to the Rescue

By The Tim on October 9th, 2008 at 2:03 PM · 128 Comments

Congress to the Rescue

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